It is going to happen in 2025. Everyone with a 2017 onwards vehicle pays the standard rate and new cars over £40k pay the additional rate too.
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Traffic filters will divide Oxford into six '15 minute' neighbourhoods
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It is going to happen in 2025. Everyone with a 2017 onwards vehicle pays the standard rate and new cars over £40k pay the additional rate too.
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Yes I know that but I was asking for a link that zero emission owners now have to pay VED before 2025.
Richi Sunak was in talks about bringing road tax back but so far nothing.
Not sure what it's like elsewhere, but I'm fairly sure in London tfl puts funds towards road maintenance, so that bus fare would be paying for road upkeep.
Soooo, basically just removing people's choice by force...
Right. This is what I HATE about the green movement in general. There is zero appetite to use human ingenuity to keep us moving forward as a species. Everything is just regressive.
This is what (self reflecting) I hate about people though. You make the alternatives better and they still whinge and find reasons to belittle and reject.
Take gas as an example. The most profound impact on reducing our usage of gas was by making it outrageously expensive. Unfortunately humans are pretty fickle (and thick) creatures so money is the only answer, often.
This is the official announcement. No band A will exist for pre-2017 either.
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I agree with this sentiment.
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I don't think it really has anything to do with green, rather governments and councils are just creating more and more layers of bureaucracy and stupidity. They really need to just simplify things not add more and more and rules. The added complexity of life is becoming overwhelming.
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The Blocked & Reported podcast recently released a great episode on the 15 minute city concept.
Fair point, though I'm only referring to traditional bikes, they are coming down in price but they still use electricity, I'm referring to 100% human powered bikes.
Also I did a double take in my local bike yesterday seeing an electric MTB for £14k, top end electric is still very expensive. Well into motorbike and car territory.
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This is the official announcement. No band A will exist for pre-2017 either.
Yes I know but Hades said that zero emission vehicles are already paying VED and I asked for a link.
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Had never heard of this 15 minute city stuff before the other day but its now all over social media with all the the anti vax and 5G freaks all over it like flies to ****.
Garaunteed none of these fruitcakes even knew what one was until recently but now they are experts.
All the usual grifters are harping on about it now as well, for example Dr Normal think it’s part of a tyrannical great reset
Garaunteed none of these fruitcakes even knew what one was until recently but now they are experts.
All the usual grifters are harping on about it now as well, for example Dr Normal think it’s part of a tyrannical great reset
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If it wasn't for the fact I have to work with a bloke I'd have nothing to do with him.
I basically have to cut every conversation short because he has anti views on absolutely everything so into: Fake Moon Landings, USA did 9/11, the Police put Nichola Bulley in the river, 15 minute Cities are to control and part of the bigger worldwide control of people and the list goes on.
I haven't asked for his thoughts on having chickens so the Government can control you (Skipper).
The one amazing thing is he believes in Covid because he has witnessed 2 relatives die from it but still goes down the Covid hole of conspiracy theories around it.
Oh yeah, he's even in to Ghosts and believes in Spiritualists/Mediums so his brain must be all over the place.
One of the problems is it doesn't consider everyone's circumstances either - I find especially those who are activist, etc. types can't see anything beyond their own personal circumstances and have no problem with the changes they want to see happening by force, while trying to hide behind the moral high ground...
It’s nothing to do with the green movement it is a simple fact of human nature that even in places with really good transport and competitive prices people choose the convenience of a car unless using one becomes prohibitively expensive or are banned.
What really needs to happen is the simultaneous deployment of modern public transport and the pricing out of the car but that expensive pipe dream won’t happen particularly in a country where public transport isn’t nationalised so investment is at rock bottom.
Yes sorry it's from 2025 not right now.
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Now by that time we could see a road tax being introduced, I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
Topic: Automotive manufacturing industry in the United Kingdom
Find the most up-to-date statistics about the automotive manufacturing industry in the United Kingdom (UK)
www.statista.com
Lets see how hard it hits this sector over the next 5 years. These things always come at a economic and unemployment cost.
"The United Kingdom's employment in all automotive sectors mainly increased from 2013 to 2020. In 2021, the British automotive industry employed 781,800 people. This represents an approximately 10 percent decrease compared to the previous year's employment figure"
Year | Number of new car registrations (source: SMMT) |
2022 | 1,614,063 |
2021 | 1,647,181 |
2020 | 1,632,064 |
2019 | 2,311,140 |
2018 | 2,367,147 |
2017 | 2,540,617 |
2016 | 2,692,786 |
2015 | 2,633,503 |
2014 | 2,476,435 |
2013 | 2,264,737 |
2012 | 2,044,609 |
2011 | 1,941,253 |
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Not quite sure what your point is about but I don't think demand itself has gone away - fixing availability and costs of new cars would soon see those figures resume to the 2+ million mark, somewhat I think what people want from a car versus what is available has changed also with COVID, etc. and I'm not sure how that will play out in the longer run (I see large numbers of people turning to Kia for instance who'd not normally buy that kind of vehicle/marque).
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If you offer people a carrot and they won’t take it, you then have to beat them with a stick.