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Traffic filters will divide Oxford into six '15 minute' neighbourhoods
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Locally in my town, all of the independent grocers and butcher all close at 4pm. If I want to do any shopping before or after work, it's supermarkets or nothingThey aren't open at weekends either...
Yeah that's frustrating - one of the advantages of WFH for a couple days a week means access to the local shops - but I realise it's not applicable to everyone. It's our societal construct that hasn't evolved to lead to more flexible lifestyles...
Yep, Oxford is Labour run.
Right...and what country do we live in...
I ride a bike a lot too and there is plenty of things I wish were true, that doesn't make them so though. Maybe one day they will be but currently being in/on anything other than a car is very dangerous on our roads and when a car hits you they get a slap on the wrist unless they quite literally shouted "I'm coming to murder you".
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I lived in Oxford for a bit, it was an absolute nightmare, something needed doing.
The problem with this plan is it depends on a good ring road, but part of the Oxford ring road is the A34, which itself should have been a motorway decades ago. Needs splitting off from Oxford and upgrading.
The problem with this plan is it depends on a good ring road, but part of the Oxford ring road is the A34, which itself should have been a motorway decades ago. Needs splitting off from Oxford and upgrading.
1. Why should my employer subsidise my transport to/from work?
2. Whose driving the company transport if it's provided, how did they get to work?
When I get to work I drive a company vehicle however this is too large for me to take home and needs to be prepared overnight for the next day's work
BTW: Here's a image of my company vehicle and a clue as to why there's none when I start work at 4am/finish at 1:30am
I see cyclists wilfully ignoring the law everyday from riding unroadworthy bikes to completely ignoring traffic signs and signals. UK cyclist's have the attitude of "I'm a cyclist so **** you and your rules".
Sounds like most car drivers tbh and i use both.
They are a menace in the town I work in. Often come flying out of side roads or off the pavement into the road, etc. there was 2 riders often about causing a right nuisance of themselves who got run down awhile back - I highly suspect someone saw red and ran them down. There was someone in a bad accident involving one about a week ago on the same road.
I've not yet seen someone riding one who hasn't been a danger to either pedestrians or causing a hazard on the road - a common one I see is people flying down the pavement alongside the main road to get to the 24x7 garage to buy booze/fags nearly colliding with pedestrians or forcing people to walk into the road to avoid them.
The cycling infrastructure in this country constantly makes me facepalm - one bit along my commute to work they put the cycling lane on the inside of a bend on an already narrow road, despite a whacking great verge area, forcing cyclists on the inside of lorries, etc. which already don't have enough space... they are finally addressing it now after years of denial.
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I would hate this. When I finish work the last thing I want to do is walk to a bus stop or train and wait to get on it with other people. I just want to get in my car and go home. I was offered a car share at work plenty of times but it would have meant getting up 30 minutes early to pick everyone up and likewise at the end of the day.
What happens if you enjoy cars and have a small or even large collection. Do you only get 1 permit for 1 car? That would suck.
If it went through it could push people on motorbikes which is just a bad idea. People can barely ride a bicycle correctly let alone one with a motor that can do some damage!
The automobile is one of the greatest inventions mankind ever did. Hardly a big tin of nothingness.
What happens if you enjoy cars and have a small or even large collection. Do you only get 1 permit for 1 car? That would suck.
If it went through it could push people on motorbikes which is just a bad idea. People can barely ride a bicycle correctly let alone one with a motor that can do some damage!
The automobile is one of the greatest inventions mankind ever did. Hardly a big tin of nothingness.
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Well, the important point is that while selfish people are everywhere, which of these three is the most dangerous and needs the most regulation?
1. Selfish pedestrians. Average speed at most 5 KPH. Get others killed: maybe one every few years.
2. Selfish cyclists. Average speed about 15 KPH. Get others killed: maybe one per year.
3. Selfish motorist. Average speed maybe 60 KPH (and 10 KPH in urban areas where they cause the most pollution and other issues). Gets others killed: hundreds to thousands per year.
So no wonder that motorists should attract the most scrutiny. Plus, car-first thinking has made most towns unpleasant for anyone else, but motorist fail to even acknowledge this.
Or at Christmas! Dare to ask me how I know...
You employer needs you at a specific location at a specific time companies have supplied transport or subsidised the costs for 100's of years why wouldn't they do it again if it became too costly for you to commute by car, particularly as they would be servicing a much bigger demand for public transport and therefore needing more drivers etc.1. Why should my employer subsidise my transport to/from work?
2. Whose driving the company transport if it's provided, how did they get to work?
When I get to work I drive a company vehicle however this is too large for me to take home and needs to be prepared overnight for the next day's work
BTW: Here's a image of my company vehicle and a clue as to why there's none when I start work at 4am/finish at 1:30am
Company transport could be a minibus taken home by an employee or a driverless one or any number of other things. I fully accept there are currently not great options for getting bus drivers to and from work at the start and end of the day but your total lack of imagination when it comes to potential solutions is pathetic.
I don't understand how this is workable in real life. It seems like a good idea in theory. But as time as progressed with the advent of the car people have been able to expand the range they can get a job at. Also when it comes to kids going to school, they can now be sent to schools outside their area.
I'd be interested to see how many people work within the council boundary.
I suspect they is another money making attempt.
I'd be interested to see how many people work within the council boundary.
I suspect they is another money making attempt.
What about accomodation? Should my employer provide me a room, maybe a dormitory shared with all the other drivers right over the depot? Then they'd have to supply nutrition obviously. Maybe if when I've ate I'm still hungry and should go to my boss and ask "Please sir, can I have some more?"
These were both ultimately terrible ideas. What a waste of life we now commit to by not staying local day to day. And the cost of it both financially and environmentally.
This is the same for most people. Good solutions are park and ride that starts earlier then the normal intra city schedule for those outside the city. For those within this area, cycling is the answer.
A huge part of it is laziness. Pure and simple laziness. Yes we often need to go longer distances are cars are by far the best way to do it but a huge number of journeys could be made by train, bus, bike or walking but people don't because its easier and more comfortable to get in your car and do that 800m journey.
The majority of schoolchildren don't need to be delivered to the front gate in their mums chelsea tractor. The majority of people going to the local shops and driving there don't need to. The vast majority of people I know will drive everywhere no matter how short the journey unless its literally 50-100m away. People are lazy.
Tunbridge wells is an absolute nightmare for traffic now. There are a couple of choke points that make it bad normally and then as soon as anything else happens like road works, even tiny ones the whole thing falls apart. I live a mile by car from the industrial estate, about half a mile by bike or walking. I took the car to get some bits and pieces and it took me nearly an hour to get there and back. Realised I had forgotten something and popped back on the bike and I was door to door in less than 10 minutes.
Hopefully in the future we will start heavily penalising short journeys that could be made via other means.
Again this makes no sense literally thousands of people every day are provided works accommodation in the UK, I have regularly stayed overnight in hotels before early meetings and the company I work for regularly rents flats for people who work away during the week for extended periods. This maybe an option you or some of your colleagues actually benefitted from as you'd be able to get more rest before a 04:30 start and why you think works accommodation is immediately the same thing as a Victorian poor house I've no idea. The world needs to change and we will have to be weened off our reliance on the car which will only happen if using one becomes very expensive, employers and employees will need to get creative to find solutions and your resistance to basic things like work subsidising your commuting costs, sending you a self drive transport or providing you with over night accommodation all seems very strange and narrow minded. In a world where using a car is too expensive public transport use will rise increasing profits and making it sensible and prudent for your employer to ensure they have the right number of drivers in the right place at the right time you might even get a pay rise as there is already a shortage of bus drivers and the demand for more would naturally increase competition.
This all reminds me of the people on my street who say they can't have an electric car as they wouldn't be able to plug it in every day to charge it up, despite the fact that they would only actually need to charge it once a week or so as the range on a modern electric covers most of their commuting easily so they would just need a simple lifestyle change to make sure they topped up the battery occasionally. People are so resistant to change it can be quite ridiculous, yes recharging an electric car isn't as convenient as popping to the petrol station but one day it will become he norm much like filling your own tank instead of having a little man do it for you has become normal!
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Probably because your idiotic suggestions point to 2 tier society, pretty much harking back to Victorian times of Have and have-nots. Rich or poor & no option to become the other.
Living at work is EXACTLY like poor house.
As for your electric car fallocy. Just building a battery EV has a greater environmental impact than an ICE car over it's life-time. You talk about charging it, all that extra electricity needs to be generated and only 38% of UK's energy is from renewable sources so the rest is from burning fossil fuels.
Is some form of EV the future, probably, but it won't be battery powered, we might aswell carry on with ICE and do less environmental damage.