Trans man denied right to register as his child's father.

dirtychinchilla said:
I assume you didn’t take the time to read it? It says gender dysphoria can lead to mental illness. It is not recognised as a mental illness.
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I think that paragraph was a recent insert, most likely due to the WHO's "reclassification" last year, which is unfortunate.
 
Sensible decision is sensible.

No human male can give birth, or as far as i am aware undertake any medical intervention to enable them to do so. ergo its perfectly reasonable to determine that someone with the biological capability of giving birth is not a human male.

If this person wishes to be recognised as a male then utilising a biological capability unique to females is very much contrary to that aim.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
For the record, I agree that the court was right. You can’t be birthed by a male.
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Isn't that contradicting the whole trans narrative?

Aren't you supposed to say the kid was birthed by a man in a woman's body?

You've just flat-out said that the parent who gave birth to the kid isn't a male. Which is fairly obvious, but contradicts the trans agenda which you seem to be in support of?
 
ianh said:
It's odd that on one form of official ID - their passport - it's OK to say the person is Male yet on another form of official ID - the child's birth certificate - they won't be allowed to. You'd imagine that something as important as government ID's (Passport and Birth Certs) would both be "on the same page" regarding something as significant as this.
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Because the Birth Certificate is the child's record, it will follow that child through its life. It is vanity for an adult parent to want to change it by going to court. Meanwhile it has been allowed for a person to change their own passport record to suit how they see themselves in their life. That is their record and nothing to do with the child.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I assume you didn’t take the time to read it? It says gender dysphoria can lead to mental illness. It is not recognised as a mental illness.
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Only since the WHO changed the definition following lobbying from the trans community.

How can something which
- occurs within your mind
- can lead to anxiety or mood problems
- can be medically treated though eg psychiatry, drugs or operations

Not be classified as a mental health disorder? It's pretty much textbook and shares the same characteristics as other mental health disorders.
 
weringo said:
Not be classified as a mental health disorder? It's pretty much textbook and shares the same characteristics as other mental health disorders.
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From what I've read suicide among trans people is meant to be about the same post-operation as it is among those who don't have it but it's often seen as the best/first solution.

It reminds me of the people who are addicted to plastic surgery, body building or tattoos, they're just convinced that one more cosmetic surgery, gym session or tattoo parlour visit will leave themselves completely satisfied with life but that's never the case. I think social media has just created a lot of people who are not happy with who they are.
 
mmj_uk said:
I think social media has just created a lot of people who are not happy with who they are.
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Not just that, look at the weird number of Hollywood 'celebs' that adopt young lads and then suddenly start parading them around in skirts and dresses, Charlize Theron being the biggest headcase of them all. That's got to **** with the mental health of a child.
 
kohlditz said:
so long as the child has a loving environment then its not our place to cast judgement.
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No it is. The parent is playing games. If they were decent they wouldn't need this kind of nonsense to be publicly played out. It's all part of their mental illness to be affirmed by others that they are what they project they are, no matter how reality warping it is. And we will accept it in the name of progression because few people challenge it from fear of being labelled.

Cool time to be alive.
 
weringo said:
Not be classified as a mental health disorder? It's pretty much textbook and shares the same characteristics as other mental health disorders.
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Not to mention it is almost always, if not literally always, accompanied by other conditions

Malevolence said:
Not just that, look at the weird number of Hollywood 'celebs' that adopt young lads and then suddenly start parading them around in skirts and dresses, Charlize Theron being the biggest headcase of them all. That's got to **** with the mental health of a child.
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That whole "we're raising them genderless and they can choose whatever they want to be" **** where mysteriously the kid happens to want to be the opposite of its biological gender. You know like parents who try to raise a boy genderless but are disappointed when they choose masculine toys or attire
 
FoxEye said:
Isn't that contradicting the whole trans narrative?

Aren't you supposed to say the kid was birthed by a man in a woman's body?

You've just flat-out said that the parent who gave birth to the kid isn't a male. Which is fairly obvious, but contradicts the trans agenda which you seem to be in support of?
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Yeah sure. It’s not me that’s obsessed with ensuring people stick with their birth gender.

I am definitely in support of people doing what they choose with their own bodies.
 
Yeh, no issues at all with parents shooting brown up their arms or white in their lungs - it's their body, let them do what they want.


Situations such as this are extremely complex for blanket statements, however the denial appears real.
 
ianh said:
It's odd that on one form of official ID - their passport - it's OK to say the person is Male yet on another form of official ID - the child's birth certificate - they won't be allowed to. You'd imagine that something as important as government ID's (Passport and Birth Certs) would both be "on the same page" regarding something as significant as this.
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I'm not sure I follow, birth certificate isn't a recognised form of ID for a parent, it's just a statement of record?
 
dirtychinchilla said:
. . . I am definitely in support of people doing what they choose with their own bodies.
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NVP said:
Yeh, no issues at all with parents shooting brown up their arms or white in their lungs - it's their body, let them do what they want.

Situations such as this are extremely complex for blanket statements, however the denial appears real.
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The issue here should not be related primarily to the Parent and what he/she chooses to do with her/his body. Surely this is a case where the interests of the child are paramount?

The child cannot be cannon fodder in an idealogical identity war.
 
Without question the correct decision.
Good to see logic holding firm.
Allowing dangerous mental concepts like this pose larger threats to society if this is over-normalised.
Can you imagine in 50 years time, the society would have so many mental health issues, personal issues they wouldn’t have time to check on what the governing body was actually doing. They would be incapable of doing so.
This is where the left ideology comes into play. They could do whatever they wanted and the people as issue ridden as they would be, wouldn’t even know it.

A man can NEVER be a woman. A Woman can NEVER be a man. End of logical conversation.
 
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