Or alternatively some people, like myself for example, believe that you can call yourself whatever the hell you like and we won't say a thing negatively about that until you "force" us to adopt your views instead of our own out of fear of being ostracized for non-compliance because if you don't adopt someone else's values, it has often led to job losses, family stress and even physical attack etc as proven time and time again.
Remember "inclusion" is a two way street, if people want their views to taken in consideration then they also need to take the views of other people, who may feel differently, into consideration too, just like adults are supposed to do.
Instead of that adult conversation back and forth we get a very loud minority of very childish "do as I say not as I do" type attitudes, which again brings me back to the "infantilisation" of far too many people now with their "I'm an [insert object] and you can't say I'm not or I'll scream and scream" just like a spoiled 5yo does when they don't get what they want.
When are you subjected to these views? I could probably count the number of times on one hand when I've seen an obvious transgender person. The number of times I've conversed with one is probably zero. Much like me, you probably don't even know when you encounter one.
We should be trying to make all members of society, who function in that society as equals, feel like they are included. You could easily be forgiven for using the wrong pro-noun for example. I mean, how are you supposed to know what people like to be called? If that person asked you to address them differently and you continued to use the wrong term, then I think you can forgive them for being annoyed. I often correct people who abbreviate my name to Jon as I don't want to be called that. Depending on how annoying they are, I might ask them multiple times or do something passive-aggressive instead.
The point being, I'm sure you aren't spending your whole life navigating the waters of transgender terminology or spotting gents in the women's toilets.
On the contrary, in fact I've always thought that lumping homosexuality, a sexual preference, together with transgenderism, a medical issue, in the acronym LGBT is very odd.
Transgenderism is not defined as a medical issue. I would imagine it's a case of marginalised groups joining together, and I've no doubt that's there's some crossover between LGB and T.
That's because you're being extremely intolerant, so you imagine that anyone who doesn't completely obey you even in thought is Teh EVIL! In other times and places you'd be imagining that they're all communists, infidels, heretics, bourgeous, aristocrats, whatever. Same old same old.
It's not a good look. Reality is rarely as simple as a simple binary split into The Shining Righteous Ones and The Evil Ones Who Are Wrong In All Ways.
Incidentally, I consider the whole "natural/unnatural" argument as nothing more than a fallacy in most contexts, specifically a false appeal to authority. It's nothing more than "It's <insert god here> will" for people who are atheists or theists who don't want to use their religion that way for some reason. How do you fit that into your imaginings?
Nature has nothing to do with what's right or wrong anyway, so it would still be irrelevant even if it was something more than just saying "I attach a superhuman authority to my opinion".
I'm being intolerant of the intolerant. I am tolerant of how people wish to live their lives, but I have much more mental space for people who are open to people existing in the way that they want. I used to feel strongly anti-religious. Now I find myself largely apathetic, mainly because the way of life of religious people has virtually no bearing on my life and the country's politics.
Regarding the natural/unnatural, it's a stupid argument in the first place. My father is an atheist, so the idea that he could consider anything natural or unnatural makes no sense to me. If you pursue the idea of what is natural and what is not, I think the eventual conclusion is that everything is natural, because at some point it'll have undergone some sort of change it due to external forces, making it unnatural.
For my father, it's just an excuse for being negative about something that he doesn't like.
Look, I'm not saying that I'm right, but I generally stand by live and let live. When people don't feel that way, it gets my goat.
No, mentally ill people have a right to exist, which is not being disputed by any of us. And they should be able to get help and treatment.
And in future we might just be able to correct these disorders.
If you offered a person inhabiting a man's body, but being convinced he's a woman, the option between a) being fixed so he feels like a man, or b) some kind of butchery to become a pale imitation of a woman... how many people will remain flying the flag for "trans".
They aren't all mentally ill, so I'm not sure why they'd require correction.
There's something wrong with you if you think saying that Trans is mental illness means they shouldn't exist
They have every right to believe their fantasy, just as we should have every right to not believe it, the problem is they can't just believe their fantasy, they want to force everybody else to believe it too.
Again, not a mental illness and moreover, not a fantasy!! These people have
immensely difficult lives. I feel bad enough going out in clothes that make me feel uncomfortable. I have issues with my body, although again I care less the older I get. If I felt like my body was the wrong one, I can't even begin to comprehend how awful that must feel, which is why so many people who are transgender or have body dysmorphia also suffer from a range of mental illnesses.
Please provide evidence for your claim that a number of people in this thread advocate killing all transgender people. That's what "right to exist" means and it's a very serious claim. I see no evidence to support it.
Please provide evidence that I suggested anyone here advocating killing them. Perhaps right to exist as they wish to exist would be better.
