Do you think that it's possible for a biological male to have naturally very low levels of testosterone?
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Do you think that it's possible for a biological male to have naturally very low levels of testosterone?
"she [is] a biological male", What? That doesn't make sense. This is the big elephant in the room, we are supposed to say this is a woman, but when it comes to biology, that just isn't the case.
Weight lifting like Hubbard? No.
That's because you have not educated yourself on transgender issues and information and the associated identity politics.
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Stop censoring pronouns you silly gammon
Biology, or identity politics? I'll stick with the science thanks.
Not asking for help, just your opinion/thoughts. You must have something.
I'm not familiar with the people who made the decision, I don't even know their names yet you want me to engage in mind reading. Do you know who they are? What drove them to adopt the 2015 regulations instead of the previous (2003(?)) regulations?
Likewise do you know why they didn't adopt they or the people responsible a decade or so before didn't adopt the regulations they have adopted in 2015?
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You must be confused. He is asking what your thoughts or opinion is on IOC allowing it. He isn't asking you to mind read the IOC members themselves. Long day?
I didn't ask you too.
That's what I'm asking you for your thoughts on.
Give me the common courtesy of answering first and I'll give my opinion on it.
Yes, how ever even a male in the bottom end of the healthy range will be well above a female in the healthy range.
And if they had unhealthily low T, I’d expect them to be thin, short, or fat with 0 muscle abd all water weight or have gyno and other physical abd mental health complications.
This woman is hench, has fully developed bones and significant lats, traps and shoulders suggesting she developed significant muscle mass as a male, and is now reaping the benefits of those muscles despite not having the T levels to support them and them decreasing since she transitioned.
Fair enough. Not disagreeing but in the following photo, from my non expert view this woman has fully developed bones and significant lats, traps and shoulders suggesting she developed significant muscle mass for weight lifting.
Well I'm not sure what you're asking then.
OK If you're not asking me to mindread then I'll give you my thoughts.
My thoughts are that trans and intersex athletes should compete in the men's events or in a separate intersex or trans events.
If you're asking me to comment on why other people have other thoughts or have made other decisions on the matter then again, I'm not a mind reader and I don't even know who those people are. Do you know who they are? Do you know anything about why they made the decisions they made? Or why the rules changed in 2015 relative to the rules in place over a decade earlier?
Fair enough. Not disagreeing but in the following photo, from my non expert view this woman has fully developed bones and significant lats, traps and shoulders suggesting she developed significant muscle mass for weight lifting.
For a female she’s at the upper end of the spectrum for sure. She will have had to put in a life time of hard work to achieve that. Give her the testosterone levels that this trans weight lifter had growing up and the results would blow your mind if you think she’s developed.
plus you are going off of one photo, mid lift and tense, and comparatively, she’s tiny compared to this trans lady, and has much less muscular development. Compare their triceps alone for a start.
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Fair enough. Not disagreeing but in the following photo, from my non expert view this woman has fully developed bones and significant lats, traps and shoulders suggesting she developed significant muscle mass for weight lifting.
That's the 21 year old girl who lost her Olympic placement because of the 43 year old dude in a dress.
Fair enough. Not disagreeing but in the following photo, from my non expert view this woman has fully developed bones and significant lats, traps and shoulders suggesting she developed significant muscle mass for weight lifting.
The problem is she's probably put in about 10 times more work developing her body over her entire lifetime than Hubbard and my money would still be on Hubbard. In the OP Hubbard looks overweight more than anything.
I'd rather not fill my head with a pile of **** thanks
I can only assume that anyone who argues its fair to let Hubbard compete against women is trolling or hates women.
Its so unfair to women I just struggle to see the point to argue.. If it was shooting, snooker, darts, some horse riding thing I could see the argument. F to M fair enough compete against men, M to F nope.. You can look up the stats men are on average stronger, faster and larger than women..
Think or all the training the poor girl would have done to lost her place to a 40yr old guy