Transgender MTF picked for Olympics weightlifting

Nitefly said:
It depends on the context I suppose. If you are conversing with someone who wishes to be referred to as she, and you intentionally refer to them as he (as if to make some sort of point) then it just makes you a bit of a nob. Likewise, if you refuse to make such such a small concession for the benefit of another generally, it probably doesn’t send out ‘good vibes’ about your personality.

Whilst I think gender is pretty flexible, I do think that retaining the idea of ‘biological sex’ (i.e. the one you are born as) definitely has a value in the context of things like athletics. It seems wrong that someone who has the advantages of being a male can be allowed to compete against females who lack those advantages.
Click to expand...
I don't think so, it's playing into delusion. People do it out of fear of being shamed and losing their job and therefore their ways of life. And so of course more peer pressure will make it so that me saying (what everyone else is thinking) makes me 'a bit of a nob' when really that is just part of the 'shaming'. So of course I wouldn't do it, because I want to keep my job and way of life. But that's the point. We have to say 2+2=5. The idea that 'gender' and sex aren't the same thing is just like I said, people living in the world of ought and not in the world of is. There's nothing primitively feminine about wearing skirts, make-up and calling yourself 'Rose'. There's nothing primitively masculine about wearing jeans and a shirt and calling yourself 'Dave'. The only things truly feminine and masculine are things that are linked to our biology, and they're the things transgender people can't do. Get pregnant, breastfeed, etc. Those are things that are truly feminine. And frankly reducing what a woman is down to man-made socio-cultural things like what they wear and how they're supposed to behave is just sexism because ultimately those things are nothing to do with being a woman. So if you are born male and you decide you want to wear dresses, make up and call yourself Rose, then go ahead, that doesn't make you a woman though and it never will.
 
mmj_uk said:
The problem is she's probably put in about 10 times more work developing her body over her entire lifetime than Hubbard and my money would still be on Hubbard. In the OP Hubbard looks overweight more than anything.
Click to expand...

She's put about 10 times more development into her taco and burrito game.

That belt is literally holding her stomach in, which is bulging out around it.

This is not the picture of a healthy girl.
 
Mason- said:
I don't think so, it's playing into delusion. People do it out of fear of being shamed and losing their job and therefore their ways of life. And so of course more peer pressure will make it so that me saying (what everyone else is thinking) makes me 'a bit of a nob' when really that is just part of the 'shaming'. So of course I wouldn't do it, because I want to keep my job and way of life. But that's the point. We have to say 2+2=5. The idea that 'gender' and sex aren't the same thing is just like I said, people living in the world of ought and not in the world of is. There's nothing primitively feminine about wearing skirts, make-up and calling yourself 'Rose'. There's nothing primitively masculine about wearing jeans and a shirt and calling yourself 'Dave'. The only things truly feminine and masculine are things that are linked to our biology, and they're the things transgender people can't do. Get pregnant, breastfeed, etc. Those are things that are truly feminine. And frankly reducing what a woman is down to man-made socio-cultural things like what they wear and how they're supposed to behave is just sexism because ultimately those things are nothing to do with being a woman. So if you are born male and you decide you want to wear dresses, make up and call yourself Rose, then go ahead, that doesn't make you a woman though and it never will.
Click to expand...

One of the good things about being self employed is I can call out these lunacies with impunity, and i do so regularly, with relish, (as appropriate for gammon)... :) Should I sack myself for this outrageousness? Nah, pay rise incoming for useful public services given!
 
Weightlifting as a sport has 10 weight classes per sex, 7 of which are contested at the Olympics. Hubbard competes in the +87kg class, which is essentially 'weight unlimited' and because 'weight moves weight' up to a point, some of the women in this category are huge. Li Wenwen who is the near-certain gold medalist for Tokyo (unless she gets injured) is about 148kg at around 5ft10.

Already in GOAT contention for the women's superheavyweight class:

 
Mason- said:
I don't think so, it's playing into delusion. People do it out of fear of being shamed and losing their job and therefore their ways of life. And so of course more peer pressure will make it so that me saying (what everyone else is thinking) makes me 'a bit of a nob' when really that is just part of the 'shaming'. So of course I wouldn't do it, because I want to keep my job and way of life. But that's the point. We have to say 2+2=5. The idea that 'gender' and sex aren't the same thing is just like I said, people living in the world of ought and not in the world of is. There's nothing primitively feminine about wearing skirts, make-up and calling yourself 'Rose'. There's nothing primitively masculine about wearing jeans and a shirt and calling yourself 'Dave'. The only things truly feminine and masculine are things that are linked to our biology, and they're the things transgender people can't do. Get pregnant, breastfeed, etc. Those are things that are truly feminine. And frankly reducing what a woman is down to man-made socio-cultural things like what they wear and how they're supposed to behave is just sexism because ultimately those things are nothing to do with being a woman. So if you are born male and you decide you want to wear dresses, make up and call yourself Rose, then go ahead, that doesn't make you a woman though and it never will.
Click to expand...
To be masculine is to have attributes that are typically male and the be feminine is to have attributes that are typically female.

If you can have masculine females and feminine males, which I presume you agree with, then it logically follows that being masculine and feminine is not strictly linked with being biologically male or female. They are characteristics. Likewise, gender is the allocation of one’s self to a set of characteristics.

Discussions around gender typically involve a person feeling more inherently associated with one set of characteristics than another. If anyone wants to do that…. So what? It has no bearing on me whatsoever and if they are someone who does then go on to exhibit characteristics of their chosen gender then in some ways it makes more sense than insisting on calling them the gender typically associated with their biological sex.

In my mind and conscious, I know clear as day that I am a man. I don’t really think I have the right to deny a female calling him/her-self a man if that is likewise what she thinks and feels to be appropriate for her.

There seems to be much agony in the world caused by strict adherence to ideas. Better to be flexible where we can, I think.

edits - in bold (see below)
 
Last edited:
The problem society has is that no-one is willing to say "no" to these fringe units, particularly not governing bodies or corporations. Instead we're in this weird place of no-one wanting to offend and thus we suffer from stupid decisions, which to the vast majority of people just seem like common sense issues backed by a clear rationale.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom