Trying to pull the statue of Saddam down

[MindYerBeak]

Originally posted by afraser2k
Thing is if the weapon inspectors had the time to carry them out Saddam would still be in power. From the start I have said that this war was right to free the Iraqi people from his terror. Now that the Iraqi people have shown us how they feel, no matter what the USA's reasons for going into Iraq, we know it was a 'just cause'.

In full agreement, good sir. I feel our stance was a good one and just. The Iraqi people are proving it to the world. For people who consider us to be infidels they're not half giving us some good cheers.

 

[Sm0akes]

Originally posted by Pants
Iraq could have a really really bright future with the right government,oil sales and no sanctions.

I can't understand anti-american attitudes now. The war with iraq was WELL worth it. Well done Bush and Blair for not giving in to the tree huggers

I think the right government is the crucial word; going on past efforts we have to be a little sceptical.

 

[Sharknose]

Originally posted by MindYerBeak
Here we go again, the rotten infidels will spoil Iraq's future. "Wait and see!" Thousands of people are celebrating in Iraq and more will follow now the main symbolic statue has been sodomised. The Iraqi people are hppy. Forget your USA hatred and look at the truth.

Yep, I'm very happy that Iraqi people can now express their feelings without being dragged off to prison etc etc. THIS IS A VERY GOOD THING.

However, people can't just see things as black and white in the majority of cases. The modern world is a subtle shade of gray. I do not hate the USA. I dislike the current administrations foreign policy though (the previous Clinton administration was much better). Likewise, I dispise the current French administration as well (but not the French people in general).

To be honest, you would think people in this country would understand how complex everything is, what with our experience of Northern Ireland (which is certainly more than a simple Catholic vs Protestant thing).


EDIT: I think I'm physophrenic (how on earth do you spell that). Part of me was still pro-war, because I wanted to get rid of Saddam Hussain, but part of me wanted it not to happen. Argghhhh, my brain hurts

 

[Pants]

Originally posted by dirtydog
The US did not invade Iraq to liberate the Iraqi people, and anyone who believes they did is naive in my view.. the benefit to the Iraqi people is purely incidental.

Maybee it was to liberate iraq AND for the reasons you believe we invaded.

Don't be so bias it's not black and white, pro war anti war, it's the grey area in the middle.

 

[Sharknose]

Originally posted by Pants
Maybee it was to liberate iraq AND for the reasons you believe we invaded.

Don't be so bias it's not black and white, pro war anti war, it's the grey area in the middle.

Exactly

 

[dirtydog]

Originally posted by Pants
Maybee it was to liberate iraq AND for the reasons you believe we invaded.

Don't be so bias it's not black and white, pro war anti war, it's the grey area in the middle.

The Iraqis being liberated is a side-effect, albeit a great one.

 

[Over Clocker]

Originally posted by dirtydog
The Iraqis being liberated is a side-effect, albeit a great one.

How do you know??

The way you have said that, is like you know 100% what the real reason is??

 

[dirtydog]

Originally posted by Over Clocker
How do you know??

The way you have said that, is like you know 100% what the real reason is??

Isn't it obvious?

Okay.. what is your opinion then.. Bush cares about the Iraqi people?

 

[Over Clocker]

Originally posted by dirtydog
Isn't it obvious?

Okay.. what is your opinion then.. Bush cares about the Iraqi people?

Why not??

IMO

1) Get rid of Saddam.
2) Free Iraqi people.
3) See 1.
4) See 1.
5) Project power.

 

[RaiLord]

Why is this statue coming down being seen as a major turning point? Its not! Still, up the troops

 

[MindYerBeak]

Originally posted by dirtydog
Isn't it obvious?

Okay.. what is your opinion then.. Bush cares about the Iraqi people?

Bush and Blair are not stupid, despite many thinking otherwise. They're well aware that the eyes of the world are upon them and that their under the spotlight. For diplomatic and trade reasons they have to be seen to be correct. The arab population are looking for the least little excuse to discredit them. The coalition needs to be on it's toes. They will do the best for Iraq, because the eyes of the world are upon them. They have to be seen to be the good guys and they're no strangers to Spin and very convincing, unlike Baghdad Bob.

 

[MindYerBeak]

Originally posted by RaiLord
Why is this statue coming down being seen as a major turning point? Its not! Still, up the troops

'Twas the largest statue of Sick Soddem in Iraq, slap bang in the centre of Iraq. It is a turning point.

 

[HEADRAT]

Watching the pictures from Bagdad makes you feel really happy for the people there. Maybe for just a little while we can just suspend disbelief that the U.S. will do the wrong thing...

Maybe, just maybe the U.S will make up for their mistakes in their foreign policy, free the people of Iraq, and allow them to govern themselves under their own democratically elected government..

HEADRAT

 

[rare]

Its not the statue coming down, its the people willing to pull it down.

 

[Over Clocker]

Originally posted by RaiLord
Why is this statue coming down being seen as a major turning point? Its not! Still, up the troops

Its VERY VERY symbolic.

It shows things, such as Saddam has lost control over the Iraqi people etc.

ps, why the

 

[Christo]

Originally posted by dirtydog
Isn't it obvious?

Okay.. what is your opinion then.. Bush cares about the Iraqi people?

no nothing is obvious because no one know - contary to your belief nor do you.

 

[afraser2k]

Focusing on what I see, the Iraqi people think it was worth it for the Coalition forces to go for war. In my personal view that alone justifies Bush/Blairs actions. The Iraqi people now know that Saddam has lost control of the state and they are now feeling safe enough to turn on those who have made them suffer for all these years.

Also, did anyone see the report from within one of Saddams torture cells?

 

[dirtydog]

I can't believe anyone thinks this war was about liberating the Iraqi people.. although that is how it's currently being presented.

If it was about liberating Iraq, why all the crap about WMDs.. why did Blair say only a few months ago that Saddam could stay in power if he disarmed.. why didn't America invade to remove Saddam years ago, why wait till now?

When Saddam was doing the US's bidding, they didn't give a damn about the Iraqi people's plight, why the sudden concern?

Why does the US and Britain support other countries with equally bad human rights records, and even arm them - why aren't we invading those countries to liberate them?

Yes, anyone who thinks Bush cares about the Iraqi people or that we invaded to liberate them, is deluding themselves.

 

[dirtydog]

Originally posted by MindYerBeak
Bush and Blair are not stupid, despite many thinking otherwise. They're well aware that the eyes of the world are upon them and that their under the spotlight. For diplomatic and trade reasons they have to be seen to be correct. The arab population are looking for the least little excuse to discredit them. The coalition needs to be on it's toes. They will do the best for Iraq, because the eyes of the world are upon them. They have to be seen to be the good guys and they're no strangers to Spin and very convincing, unlike Baghdad Bob.

I agree with all of that.

 

[HEADRAT]

Whatever the politics of the situation, the people of Bagdad seem to be happy to be free of Saddam, maybe thats enough ?

As for the rest of the situation, lets see what happens, the past history of U.S. policy doesn't fill me with much optimism..

I'm trying to dispell my cynical side, the picture from Bagdam help with that a lot

HEADRAT