Turkish Grand Prix 2011, Istanbul Park - Race 4/19

What really cost Button was getting stuck behind Massa and the renault during one of the stints (the third stint I think?) He was going 1-1.5s slower than Hamilton at that point despite having the fresher tyres, and it lasted for many laps.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
No ground effect, but they are keeping DRS. Makes no sense at all. DRS is lame as shown in this race and ground effect would totally solve the real problem, making DRS totally redundant.

Even if you agree to DRS this season, I can't understand how you want to keep it, rather than solving the issue. Which those rules would do especially if they added ground effect in.
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According to the link the teams said:

"Initially, as exclusively revealed by BBC Sport in December, the idea had been to reintroduce shaped underfloors as a more efficient way of reducing drag while retaining high levels of aerodynamic downforce.

But the teams, through their umbrella organisation Fota, felt this would require a lot of work and expense and that the aims of governing body the FIA could be achieved in a way that, as one insider put it, required "less pain"."

So looks like a cost issue :(

Shame, as you said it would have been able to give similar downforce to current levels whilst having smaller/simpler wings and hence less turbulent air.
 
Setroc said:
What really cost Button was getting stuck behind Massa and the renault during one of the stints (the third stint I think?) He was going 1-1.5s slower than Hamilton at that point despite having the fresher tyres, and it lasted for many laps.
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That time was more than recovered with Hamiltons pitstop. What killed Button was running longer on a compound when everyone else found it within the first stint that the plan would have to switch to 4 stops.

Hopefully that's a lesson learnt, as Brundle said the characteristics of these tyres aren't like before where you could nurse them. They last a set amount of laps and that's it.
 
Regarding the pit releases, I have to say hats off to the McLaren lolly-pop man for keeping his car there :). On the other hand Ferrari should not have released their car, and should have been penalised for it IMHO.
 
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Shame. Would love a canvas print of that!

EDIT: Holy cow! that other site is epic! So much want!

Dam you Duke, I'm gonna end up spending stupid money on canvas prints now!
 
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I hope to God that the teams come up with a better radio message to indicate they're changing strategy.

I think every man and his dog knows that "We're changing to Plan B" means a shorter set of stops. The other teams are laughing when they hear you change strategy, as it's taking a lot of the thought out of their decision to respond.
 
EVH said:
I hope to God that the teams come up with a better radio message to indicate they're changing strategy.

I think every man and his dog knows that "We're changing to Plan B" means a shorter set of stops. The other teams are laughing when they hear you change strategy, as it's taking a lot of the thought out of their decision to respond.
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I hope it gets more random!

I loved the 'Magic Paddle' message to Schumacher. I want it to be like a cheesy American spy film.

McLaren: "Lewis, the red fox flies at dawn, silver bullets to attack mode, deploy operation twiddly nob..."

Lewis: "Ok, so I can turn the engine up to full power and catch Alonso?"

McLaren: "shhh, keep to the code, young one, keep to the code..."
 
EVH said:
I think every man and his dog knows that "We're changing to Plan B" means a shorter set of stops. The other teams are laughing when they hear you change strategy, as it's taking a lot of the thought out of their decision to respond.
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Well you missunderstood it ;)

Didn't plan B mean 4 stops not 3, they orginally planned on doing 3 stops but swapped to 4?

:p
 
dannyjo22 said:
Well you missunderstood it ;)

Didn't plan B mean 4 stops not 3, they orginally planned on doing 3 stops but swapped to 4?

:p
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Shorter between stops, therefore more stops.

I worded it poorly, you know what I mean though (the teams are broadcasting when they're going to pit essentially) :p
 
Well what I don't understand is the teams choose what they want to broadcast. They can over ride anything going to the TV companies. So why don't they just do that instead of "plan x".

I guess they are worried about people listening in, but as soon as one car conversation said they were 4 stopping mclaren got on the radio to jenson to tell him. I think f1 would be far more accessable and interesting if all pit to car conversations were available to be aired.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Well what I don't understand is the teams choose what they want to broadcast. They can over ride anything going to the TV companies. So why don't they just do that instead of "plan x".

I guess they are worried about people listening in, but as soon as one car conversation said they were 4 stopping mclaren got on the radio to jenson to tell him. I think f1 would be far more accessable and interesting if all pit to car conversations were available to be aired.
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Where have you been? They are. There is no 'privacy button' any more in F1. All radio commentary is available to race control, and therefore available to the TV director. They just pick out the juicy bits and broadcast them (radio conversations are controlled by the TV director who also controls the world feed). Its why drivers can get into trouble for swearing as this would stop it being broadcastable, which could mean they could hide something from the other teams via the TV feed.

I did like the spanish bit to Alonso. Did they seriously think nobody else would just translate that instantly? I expect it was translated on Twitter within seconds!
 
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