Turkish Grand Prix 2011, Istanbul Park - Race 4/19

This is concerning.

1.6 turbos I had got used to as ground effect would offer a whole new challenge.

However, going back and just reducing the downforce more is not a good idea. I expecially don't like the "no more than 5 seconds a lap slower" idea. F1 at Turkey pole was 1:25, GP2 pole was 1:34. If they make F1 5 seconds slower they are in danger of making it bearly any quicker than GP2. There is a real risk that a driver could progress from a top GP2 team into a midfield F1 team and actually be driving a slower car!

Ground effects are potentially epic. Lots of downforce, with less negative effect on the guy following! It would solve their overtaking problem. All I can think is that they have chickened out for fear of a 2009 style reordering of the teams!
 
ps3ud0 said:
They [McLaren] go for the strategy where if all the variables go their way it will work - it just such a very simplistic view of the race and being able to think on their feet on the Sunday is just so lacking...

Surely Hamilton winning China solely because he had that much fresher set of tyres over Vettel was a clear enough indicator. 3 stops was never an option, look how many opted for it...
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On the commentary they stated that McLaren have a room full of very intelligent bods, armed with super duper computers, back in Woking. These people receive all the up-to-date data and they are the ones who advise the pit-wall on strategy, during the race.

I can only think that the people who they have employed to do this analysis are terrible at their job. Without the aid of computers and up-to-date real time data, most people on this forum are making strategy calls which are better than those which the McLaren team come up with.

I can well understand why a driver (Button/Hamilton) would leave it up to the "professional strategists" to make the calls regarding tyres, but Button should really be making all the calls himself, as he is usually pretty good at making the correct decision.
 
sunama said:
people who they have employed to do this analysis are terrible at their job. Without the aid of computers and up-to-date real time data, most people on this forum are making strategy calls which are better than those which the McLaren team come up with.
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That comparison is flawed though. It's like when you're watching the Millionaire quiz program - it's easy at home but when you're up there in the seat and it's real money it's a whole different ball game ;).
 
Some of the strategy decisions are so horrendous and obviously bad, it begs belief that there is a room full of professionals who are employed just to come up with strategy calls.

Also, with regards to the Millionaire quiz show: I must be one of the few people who are not affected by pressure. My take is that on the quiz show, you either know the answer, or you don't (and decide to guess it). Seldom have I ever been under pressure and forgotten knowledge (which previously knew). It is not common for somebody who knows "stuff" and then to forget all the "stuff" when they are put on a quiz show.

Pressure (and I believe that is what you are referring to), can force you into mistakes, but it seldom forces you into memory loss or amnesia (as per your quiz show example).

...but then this is why you have a room full of people, aided by computer programs, to help make the correct decision. If I was on a quiz show and had full access to a computer and room full of people advising me...I doubt I would mess up.
 
I don't understand how mclaren get it so wrong, so often.

Everyone gets it wrong occasionally, it's part of the unpredictability. But they sure do seem to get it wrong more than their fair share. Is it because most other teams have people at the track and not stuck at a computer 2000 miles away.
 
Is it possible that McLaren wanted to ensure that Button finished behind Hamilton, that they forced him into the slower tyre strategy?

Also, Button can overide their decision, if he wants to...right, so why isn't he doing this?
 
Maybe Mclaren are out thinking themselves? All this tech coming up with possible outcomes? They see an outcome that's possible and it will be amazing, Yet it doesn't come to pass?

Good race, Really boring lead. What I did like about the coverage is you hardly saw Vettle, Shows they really do concentrate on the action and not just "wow look at the leader" I think Vettle really had more in the tank if needed, Which leads to my next worry.

With these new tyres the cars don't seem to be run at the ragged edge, Reliability up and down the grid seems to have been impeccable so far (forget kers lol). Without any real problems, Is it really going to be possible to catch that redbull? It could easily all be over by mid season.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Looks fine to me? :confused:
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No ground effect, but they are keeping DRS. Makes no sense at all. DRS is lame as shown in this race and ground effect would totally solve the real problem, making DRS totally redundant.

Even if you agree to DRS this season, I can't understand how you want to keep it, rather than solving the issue. Which those rules would do especially if they added ground effect in.
 
ZG002 said:
With these new tyres the cars don't seem to be run at the ragged edge, Reliability up and down the grid seems to have been impeccable so far (forget kers lol). Without any real problems, Is it really going to be possible to catch that redbull? It could easily all be over by mid season.
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Things can change.

I still believe that Hamilton and Alonso can trouble Vettel as the season wears on. All they have to do is prevent Vettel from leading on lap 1. That's it. If they do this, Vettel is prevented from time trialling and (for whatever reason) is a shadow of his time-trialling self. We've seen this time and time again, most recently 3 weeks ago.

I think that the most likely challenger is going to be Ferrari/Alonso, if only because Alonso has the entire team focussed around him. Hamilton's problem is that he is having to beat his team-mate as well as the RBR cars, which is causing him an added obstacle. Alonso has no such problems - his team-mate will not hinder him in the same way that Button often gets in Hamilton's way.

Another factor is form. No driver/sportsman can maintain top form through an entire season. A driver will have highs and lows. Vettel, so far has started the season on top form. Alonso and Webber, have not. Expect to see Alonso closing the gap on Vettel, just as he did last year. Expect to see Webber win a few races this year, which in turn will prevent Vettel getting 25 points on tracks which RBR are dominant.

Don't write off Alonso/Hamilton. It's not over yet.
 
JRS said:
Then you've never faced the right amount of pressure ;)
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LOL. No. When I sense I am under pressure, I simply tell myself that I cannot do better than my best. My moto in life is just try your best and don't set yourself unrealistic targets. As long as you try your best...you can go away happy. Time and time again, this has reduced any adverse effects which may come as a result of pressure.

Obviously though, everybody has their limits...but with regards to McLaren's strategy team - they seem to baulk under pressure (if that is indeed the reason for their regularly poor performance) in virtually every single race.
 
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