But if they did the 'one then none' people would let them in once and then watch TV without paying.
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They do that anyway but without letting them in, ignoring letters and not sending a request to say they don’t need one via the website.
I wonder how many on this thread watch and don’t pay?
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Haven’t got a clue but I bet it’s a fair few.
Its the fear/disgust of having a 200 a year extra bill added on to your typical costs if (like I fear it will) go into general tax.
I have no issue keeping it as is.
If the gov are allowing them to raise the price... Would they ever let it fail? I don't think so.
So (imo) the most likely outcome is I'll be 200 a year + worse off when this gets added to council tax.
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Is this really a thing? Our utterly incompetent government already wastes billions of our taxpayer money so how's about gtfo!
and yet over the years i would say that the BBC has dumbed-down it content, it use to be when they did a science/wildlife program, you came away knowing something. now days it "ok look it shiny" or "did you see David attenborough last night, wasn't the Photography fantastic"
The few people who watch TV without paying don't even let them in the once. The only people that suffer in the current system is the majority who are correctly unlicensed and do not watch live TV. The problem isn't the people like me and everyone else who is unlicensed. The problem is the BBC who are at fault.
There are lots of possible solutions like needing to enter your TV licence registration to activate live TV at your address. That's a more sensible approach for people who watch live TV. Prove they are licensed and ok to watch live TV rather then targeting the people who don't use any of BBC services. Its not acceptable for a company who you do not use to keep checking up on you and inspecting your home. You wouldn't accept that from Google, Microsoft, Amazon, DVLA or any of the others. So why accept it from BBC?
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Well to be fair it is different from what you are saying simply because it’s a legal requirement to have one of you watch live tv. So therefore people need to make every effort in saying they don’t need one.
A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment to watch live on any channel, TV service or streaming service, and to use BBC iPlayer*. On any device. This applies regardless of which television channels a person receives or how those channels are received.
The people that have been having problems (which is probably a very low amount) compared to the ones that have no problems is a fracture of the total people who have registered not needing one. These people need to take it up with the bbc to have it resolved and just prove they don’t need one.
There’s nothing hard about the concept.
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There also the legal concept we follow here that your innocent until proven guilty, it up to the BBC to prove you need a license, it not up to us to prove we don't
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How can they prove it when the people saying they don’t need a licence won’t let them in to check and they not registering to saying they don’t need one and basically taking a hissy fit on the forums for not complying with requirements.
If the people just stopped fighting if they were legit and didn’t need one there wouldn’t be a problem. Simply sign the online form to say you don’t need one, let them in once and there won’t be a problem.
If there is a problem then you file a complaint. It’s as simple as that. It really is.
It’s more likely people are avoiding them because they in fact do watch live tv and scared of getting caught.
A legal requirement is a legal requirement.
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I agree there are probably a lot of people who need a licence and are just avoiding it. But filling in a form to say you don't need it won't help fix that issue. They would simply fill in the form and lie on it. The BBC would be no nearer to proving they need a licence.
But there is no legal requirement to fill in the form declaring you don't need a licence. If I stopped needing a licence I would probably fill it in the first time to avoid the hassle, but then ignore it at "renewal" time. There is no reason to fill in the form other than to stop a few letters being sent to you, which you can simply ignore.
I'm afraid I'm in the camp of wanting the BBC to move to a subscription service. Several other services offer me real value so I pay for them. I barely watch anything on live TV because I find most of it rubbish now. I would happily stop watching if I could save the money instead. The world has changed and TV is a very different place compared to when the licence fee was started.
I've never bothered with the online form due to hearing people getting hassle from it. Its no hassle to just bin the letters. Besides I like that they care!
As above. The world is now a very different place. Before you did need the BBC and it was worth paying for. Or at least having the current model.
But to say you can't watch anything live (even streamed via landlines) should require a TV licence. This is completely independent to the BBC. It doesn't use tv broadcast towers. It's often made/produced abroad.
I come back to f1tv.
Its an online only service, why should you have to pay when you can watch exactly the same thing, on the same service, on replay and not pay?
That's just a desperate attempt to bind more people to paying when you really shouldn't need to.
It makes no sense... Only to keep more people tied to it.
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They just gave Rawnda £300 million
Why would the BBC give Rwanda £300 million?
If you have ignored online forms or letters and subsequently shown to be using Iplayer/live-stream via your IP address/4Gservice (w/ fingerprinting to look through vpn use too) -
won't have any plausible deniability in court - & backdate the fees you owe .
won't have any plausible deniability in court - & backdate the fees you owe .
Its a legal requirement to have a driving licence and to have your car taxed. Yet people who do not drive and/or do not own a car don't get 100's of letters, home inspections to check if we own a car and check we do not need a licence. Why should a TV be any different?
You say probably a very low amount but if this thread, all the websites, YouTube channels and support groups are anything to go by its not a very low amount of people. Its a wide spread problem. I proved to the BBC I don't need a licence over 20 times it never helped or did anything.
You say its a simple concept but you don't seem to get it. Just look at how many times you have been told in this thread that we applied for the form it didn't work, we tried taking it up with the BBC and it didn't get resolved. Why is that such a hard concept for you understand. You come in here and pretend its simple to fix when it really is not simple.
It really is not that simple and no its not more likely they do in fact watch live TV and are scared of getting caught. Look at this thread and all the people who did not fight it, did let the inspectors in, did fill out the form and still had problems. Filing a file a complaint doesn't do anything. That is not a solution.
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The government not the BBC