TV Licence Super Thread

Hades · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:31

jpaul said:
If you have ignored online forms or letters and subsequently shown to be using Iplayer/live-stream via your IP address/4Gservice (w/ fingerprinting to look through vpn use too) -
won't have any plausible deniability in court - & backdate the fees you owe .

IPlayer asks you to confirm you have a TV licence so ignoring, or not ignoring, letters is not particularly relevant. If you watch IPlayer it should be obvious from the question that you need one.

Their letters are sometimes wrong too. Black Belt Barrister recently did a video on one of them. The letter said you need a TV licence to watch live streams on YouTube. That's wrong. You only need a licence to watch live YouTube if it is from a broadcast company. You don't need one to stream live content not from a broadcast company.

Also, I can quite legally watch NowTV (for example) without a licence if I watch non-live content. I only need a licence if I watch their live channels. My IP would still register as hitting NowTV regardless of the content. Only NowTV can tell what I'm watching.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:31

Pottsey said:
Why should a TV be any different?

Go take that up with the BBC and Government. Chatting about it here won't change anything.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:32

Pottsey said:
It really is not that simple and no its not more likely they do in fact watch live TV and are scared of getting caught. Look at this thread and all the people who did not fight it, did let the inspectors in, did fill out the form and still had problems. Filing a file a complaint doesn't do anything. That is not a solution.

It's a fraction of everyone in this thread.

Nasher · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:34

Hades said:
IPlayer asks you to confirm you have a TV licence so ignoring, or not ignoring, letters is not particularly relevant. If you watch IPlayer it should be obvious from the question that you need one.

Their letters are sometimes wrong too. Black Belt Barrister recently did a video on one of them. The letter said you need a TV licence to watch live streams on YouTube. That's wrong. You only need a licence to watch live YouTube if it is from a broadcast company. You don't need one to stream live content not from a broadcast company.

Yea otherwise you'd need one to video call people lol

The BBC wish it was that way

Hades · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:38

GaryTheSnail said:
It's a fraction of everyone in this thread.

717 people have contributed to this thread. Scale that number up to tens of millions of people (67m live in the UK) and that fraction becomes a lot of people.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:41

Hades said:
717 people have contributed to this thread. Scale that number up to tens of millions of people (67m live in the UK) and that fraction becomes a lot of people.

Nah not really. There's not 717 people complaining in here that's for sure. I bet it's less than 5% but I'm not sitting here going through doing graphs and calculating.

Hades · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:43

GaryTheSnail said:
Nah not really. There's not 717 people complaining in here that's for sure. I bet it's less than 5% but I'm not sitting here going through doing graphs and calculating.

I said there are 717 people contributing to the thread (not complaining). A fraction of 717 is a very small number. But a fraction of 67 million people is a lot of people.

e.g. 5% of 67 million is 3.3 million people.

Longbow · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:45

plasmahal said:
Why would the BBC give Rwanda £300 million?

They must be filming a documentary of The Battle of Hastings, 2023 edition.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:53

Hades said:
I said there are 717 people contributing to the thread (not complaining). A fraction of 717 is a very small number. But a fraction of 67 million people is a lot of people.

e.g. 5% of 67 million is 3.3 million people.

That's not really a lot of people in the grand scheme of things.

In that case it's up to them to resolve it with the BBC not overcomplainers users.

You follow what they are asking you to do and if there's problems file a complaint.

Nasher · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:54

GaryTheSnail said:
Nah not really. There's not 717 people complaining in here that's for sure. I bet it's less than 5% but I'm not sitting here going through doing graphs and calculating.

A few 100,000 at least a year are cancelling. It's shrinking fast which is why the BBC are panicking over funding.

The BBC classes it as "evasion rate". Which last year was at 9%. With the higher price it will get higher. It's nearing double what it was 10 years ago.

Also the more people that cancel, the more resources they have to waste trying to enforce it. Eventually (hopefully) it will break.

beachBOYken · 8 Dec 2023 at 10:59

Can't Gary Lineker cover the price rises.

Hades · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:00

GaryTheSnail said:
That's not really a lot of people in the grand scheme of things.

In that case it's up to them to resolve it with the BBC not overcomplainers users.

You follow what they are asking you to do and if there's problems file a complaint.

Or you just ignore them. Don't bother to fill out the form, throw any bullying letters in the bin and move on with your life. Absolutely no need to engage with them whatsoever if you don't need a licence.

Solution 1: Engage with them and hope for the best, taking time and effort out of your day.
Solution 2: Bin the letters. Ignore them.

Both options are legal. Same result but solution 2 is easier.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:06

k let the whole of the UK just cancel then in epic proportions.

That will need government interception for sure.

That should put a spanner in the works then you won't have a choice paying if it goes on tax.

GG.

413x · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:07

Do those who like the BBC.. do you support it going to subscription or not?

Because if the country love it. Then it's no issue.

Or is it that you don't think the country loves it enough and it will lead to it's death and you don't want that?

Diddums · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:13

Nasher and Garythesnail both trying to make intelligent arguments in the same thread, I sense a disturbance in the force.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:13

413x said:
Do those who like the BBC.. do you support it going to subscription or not?

Some things are good but a lot of things are trash and is constant repeats. It's moved over to the digital era so if they increase content while finding new ways to get users to hand over the money they could slowly move over from a tv licence model and go into the subscription era.

I have owned a TV licence when I was younger but when moving over to digital services properly around 2006 I found I no longer needed one so never had one since.

The model will work if the BBC provide enough decent content for people I think vs tv licence. As time goes on there will be more people cancelling in favour of the digital model IMO.

Deleted member 77746 · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:14

Diddums said:
Nasher and Garythesnail both trying to make intelligent arguments in the same thread, I sense a disturbance in the force.

Not trying to be intelligent at all thank you very much.

plasmahal · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:22

sigma said:
The government not the BBC

Oh, i see, it was a troll post. Thought the thread was about the tv license.

GarethSouthgate · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:30

plasmahal said:
Oh, i see, it was a troll post. Thought the thread was about the tv license.

Troll post? It was replying to government funding waste. What I wrote is factually correct.

You're the troll.

Mr Mcgoo · 8 Dec 2023 at 11:57

Last year i stopped paying for tv license when i realised we don't watch live tv. In fact haven't watched live tv for over 3 years and yet paid on the off chance we might end up watching live tv yet never did. Only Netflix, Disney+, YouTube and the odd catchup tv and that's it. Took this into account along with getting told by so many, why am i paying for TVL if we don't watch live tv. Had one TVL call out 6 months ago. Ask for their id which they provided but refused to give me a number to call to confirm the id so i shut the door and nothing since. You can only get caught if you let them into your house and happen to have live tv on or if you're unlucky enough to have your tv in view from the window and they can see right in. That is rare though. I'm not condoning you not pay TVL and still watch live tv.