TV Licence Super Thread

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GaryTheSnail said:
How can they prove it when the people saying they don’t need a licence won’t let them in to check and they not registering to saying they don’t need one and basically taking a hissy fit on the forums for not complying with requirements.
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so how does the police prove you commited a crime, they gather evidence, they don't drop you a letter every month asking "did you commit any crimes this month". and if they believe that you are committing a crime they can apply to the court to get a warrant to enter your home
GaryTheSnail said:
If the people just stopped fighting if they were legit and didn’t need one there wouldn’t be a problem. Simply sign the online form to say you don’t need one, let them in once and there won’t be a problem.

If there is a problem then you file a complaint. It’s as simple as that. It really is.
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so you want me to complain to the BBC that i'm innocent of a crimes. the reason i don't go online a fill in a form, is that in I should not have to prove my innocence, were do you draw the line, do we start sending out fines for speeding to every one that owns a car, cause you know speeding is illegal and if you own a car you must do it.and it equally as easy for me to dump there letters in the bin and i get pleasure in the knowledge that ive cost them money

GaryTheSnail said:
It’s more likely people are avoiding them because they in fact do watch live tv and scared of getting caught.

A legal requirement is a legal requirement.
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why would i be scared of them, that what they want to scare you into paying, wether you need a licence or not, so me one other company that assumes your guilty and must pay them money or else
 
Still getting letters after what must be 15 years. Told them I don't need a licence yet letters only stop temporarily then the cycle restarts.
I don't get harassed about any other licences I don't need so why should I get harassed about a TV licence. I don't get fisheries staff calling to hassle me about a fishing licence that I don't need. Yes I do have some fishing equipment but I don't use it
 
GaryTheSnail said:
A price hike for customers while making £3.74 billion. Give me a break how much money do these companies need.
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I'm amazed BBC do what they do with that given most broadcasters operating costs are typically a lot, lot more, ie - Sky were ('17/18) paying nearly double that for programming alone.

* This is purely a comment around operating costs nothing to do with the TV licencing, so no need to comment with some 'gotcha'.

413x said:
Do those who like the BBC.. do you support it going to subscription or not?
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I have no issue with the UK domestic TV side of the BBC going to a subscription model; it's the rest of the BBC i'm more concerned with which is why i would support the rest of their services (world service, education, news, R&D etc) to be rolled into national tax.
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
Go take that up with the BBC and Government. Chatting about it here won't change anything.
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I did take it up with them which is why I know your posts about how simple it all is are wrong and misleading.


GaryTheSnail said:
It's a fraction of everyone in this thread.
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Yes it is a fraction, a large fraction. Going by the past pages of data approx 75% of people reporting the system did not work and approx. 25% said the form and system worked for reporting they did not need a licence. Plus some people said it did work for a few years then stopped working over time.
More people said they had problems then said the form worked.

You are downplaying how wide spread the problem is and making the solution sound simple when its not a simple solution.
 
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Pottsey said:
You are downplaying how wide spread the problem is and making the solution sound simple when its not a simple solution.
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If it's a big problem something would have been done about it by now.

Maybe it's time for you to protest on the streets ?

StriderX said:
It's illegal to possess weed, yet I see it smoked regularly in public.

Why would I care about a scary letter?
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A Cop has to catch them first. :p

EDIT: Maybe someone in this thread needs to send a letter of complaint to the BBC about their TV licence and a link to this thread. A part of the challenge you must fill out the form online and let an officer in to check if you need a licence or not.

Who is up for this challenge?
 
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I might make a t-shirt with a combo of BBC threat letters and the news reader's middle finger, then when they knock the door I'll say 'wait let me get the t-shirt!' ... 'thanks for waiting!', slam :)

I'm actually not anti-BBC content but I am anti-witch hunt with the way they have always pursued the license fee and the assumption that everyone owns a TV and watches live TV and must be breaking the law by default. Isn't that in itself illegal? I guess the debate rages on, while the BBC and Gov keep asking themselves 'wait, should be still be doing this?'
 
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keyser van someone said:
I guess the debate rages on, while the BBC and Gov keep asking themselves 'wait, should be still be doing this?'
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What's it going to take to get the gov and bbc talking more ?

This sort of stuff could go badly wrong. If it does ever get incorporated into tax then everyone will probably have to pay weather or not they watch live tv. It's a rocky ground when someone starts. Could go badly.

You lot just keep avoiding them. :p Bring the numbers down, while they hike up the price for everyone paying then more cancellations will happen.

Big oof.
 
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Btone said:
and yet over the years i would say that the BBC has dumbed-down it content, it use to be when they did a science/wildlife program, you came away knowing something. now days it "ok look it shiny" or "did you see David attenborough last night, wasn't the Photography fantastic"
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Indeed. Just look at what they did to The Sky at Night after Sir Patrick's death. And another thing I really miss from times gone by, is the Open University programmes that used to air throughout the silly hours on BBC2.
 
Malevolence said:
Indeed. Just look at what they did to The Sky at Night after Sir Patrick's death. And another thing I really miss from times gone by, is the Open University programmes that used to air throughout the silly hours on BBC2.
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I assume that after the privatisation fever that took over the country a few decades ago the bosses at the BBC had to make a choice between having a bunch of shows it can't sell or prepare for being sold.
 
Smeghead said:
I did this and filled out the form online when I moved into my new place over a year ago, but they still send me letters. I've read they'll still send you the letters because they either expect you to buckle to their pathetic letters, or they eventually want to come in a check themselves if you have a TV, in which case you potentially might watch live TV and therefore need a license. They can absolutely go screw themselves.
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You don't have to let them in, in fact you can write to them and rescind the implied right of access and they can't even knock on your door

They would need some evidence first to get a warrant to force entry
 
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andybird123 said:
You don't have to let them in, in fact you can write to them and rescind the implied right of access and they can't even knock on your door

They would need some evidence first to get a warrant to force entry
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That's the best idea and would be my recommendation as well. Don't mess around with the form letting them know you don't need a licence, don't let them in. Just go straight to removing there rights of access which seems to be the best way to get rid of them.
 
jpaul said:
they don't need to come in to find proof - your internet provider could provide that , aerial's probably an electronic/emissive give away too.
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I'm not suggesting people break the law, if you don't want to pay the TV licence then have your aerial taken down and block iplayer on your router, you can use other streaming services as long as you don't watch "live TV"

However, if they send someone in and spot a TV then they are going to probably want to make your life difficult, so best just to not let them in but also make sure there's no evidence you're breaking the law (you know, by not breaking the law).
 
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jpaul said:
they don't need to come in to find proof - your internet provider could provide that , aerial's probably an electronic/emissive give away too.
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The existence of an aerial on the roof doesn't constitute proof you use it. Your internet provider won't give your name and address to the BBC without a court order because they would be in breach of GDPR. A court won't give that order unless there is reasonable suspicion you watch TV.
 
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GIBURROWS said:
You shouldn't have to mess with router settings to avoid being a suspect of the TV licensing system.
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You don't have to, just don't use iPlayer, that just made logical sense to me as the easiest way if push comes to shove as I can't delete the iPlayer app off my TV so it ensures nothing in the house can accidentally connect to it and give them any sort of justification for accusation
 
andybird123 said:
I'm not suggesting people break the law, if you don't want to pay the TV licence then have your aerial taken down and block iplayer on your router, you can use other streaming services as long as you don't watch "live TV"

However, if they send someone in and spot a TV then they are going to probably want to make your life difficult, so best just to not let them in but also make sure there's no evidence you're breaking the law (you know, by not breaking the law).
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Why should anybody have to pay somebody to take their aerial down because they do not watch TV?

The solution is BBC restrict who can access their broadcasts. All the private broadcasters can manage it.
 
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