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Got a link to that please? Can't see it on the official site. Thanks!
Bandwidth scanner
Thanks for all responses. Seems it can / should be ignored. Thought as much, just wanted confirmation
I think so! We used to get these letters at uni (about 10 years ago) basically saying we know you don't have a TV license and are looking into it. We got several of these letters which got more and more strongly worded, basically trying to scare people into getting licenses but nothing ever happened.
Out of curiosity - does anyone know when the snoopers charter will come in and whether they will be able to retrospectively look at peoples' internet usage etc?
Is this the case even if you're using the wifi at the unlicensed property? If so, that solves the issue my friend is having.
Got a link to anything official? Not doubting you, just nice to have it in official writing
Edit... Nevermind, just saw the second page here with the post above
yes the wifi makes no difference, why would it. tv license doesn't care what the source is.
From what i've read, it's not a case of them logging into your PC and viewing your browsing history. All monitoring will be done at the ISP level, so all site requests from your IP address will get saved for x-amount of time. As to what extent the ISP's go to collect further information - i.e. all sub-pages within that domain. This would give them an idea that not only have you visited Amazon, but that your searches returned Microwaves.
Yup.
So you come spouting all this nonsense and wouldnt let it go because your a CS student but assure us it is definitely possible to implement (which we prove it totally isnt in the real world). Now you dont know anything about it
Dont believe everything in the papers, especially if it involves fear mongering
It IS possible to implement, the idea would just require the bandwidth to be monitored, not captured.
New technology is created daily, it is not unfeasible to imagine a program that can break down the bandwidth from an individual household..
Is your natural reaction to people on the internet to belittle them?
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Perfect, thanks!
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The problem is this part:
It would be very easy for them to set up a machine in a lab on a closed network where the only data packets were coming from the BBC servers, and they'd be able to match those with the packets sent out from their own server. In practical terms it doesn't work like that.
Use a CS student ?
We don't know how it works, so its obviously impossible..
Obviously the ISP's cant give them that information with the recent snoopers charter.
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t is not the capturing that is the problem, it is the lack of accuracy in the measurements. Like i said, with all those extra factors, your bandwidth would vary a lot from the number that the BBC has. ANY amount of variance would make the evidence invalid.
As for belittling, you may see it like that but really we are all just disagreeing and discrediting your information and sources. You say you dont know anything about it and you cant come up with solutions to the complications involved but you assure us that it definately can be implemented practically and you know because your a student.
Please, i think everyone in this thread knows you read some fear mongering articles and after being misled by them, posted some stuff on the internet which is a little embarrassing and you are gunning on defending it to the last word.
It isnt belittling to tell people they are wrong
With the info from the ISP why would they even need to measure bandwidth
There's absolutely nothing stopping me stabbing the guy next to me, not even a popupbut I manage.
Sure. But if you could stab people over the Internet, would you still manage? Even on GD?
I know in practical terms it doesn't work like that, there are many factors that may **** up the results.
When stating a point i often don't feel the need to state everything i already know about the topic that i would assume people would see as just common sense.
There are technologies developed daily that every-day people have no idea how they work. Just because it doesn't make sense inside our bubble doesn't mean its not possible..
t is not the capturing that is the problem, it is the lack of accuracy in the measurements. Like i said, with all those extra factors, your bandwidth would vary a lot from the number that the BBC has. ANY amount of variance would make the evidence invalid.
As for belittling, you may see it like that but really we are all just disagreeing and discrediting your information and sources. You say you dont know anything about it and you cant come up with solutions to the complications involved but you assure us that it definately can be implemented practically and you know because your a student.
Please, i think everyone in this thread knows you read some fear mongering articles and after being misled by them, posted some stuff on the internet which is a little embarrassing and you are gunning on defending it to the last word.
It isnt belittling to tell people they are wrong
With the info from the ISP why would they even need to measure bandwidth
Addressing lack of accuracy Is it not possible that the packets of information received by the user couldn't be monitored and identified? After all they are coming from the ISP. I don't know what technology could accomplish this, but that doesnt mean one doesn't exist.
I noted that the articles may be fear mongering from the outset, the use of me explaining that i am a CS student is to try to at least provide the point that i am not just a simpleton that knows nothing about TCP-ip and the open systems interconnection model. The technology is possible with our current hardly secure networks.
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It has changed from'they definitely do it' to 'obviously it isnt practical but with stuff they could come up with in the future, there may be a magic program'
I dont doubt that you could do it all with as little as an extension required to watch iplayer. Fact is, there isnt one and they dont do it that way. There are easier ways to see who is watching if they had the power to ask ISP for information.
The level of monitoring you suggest to get round these issues is illegal even with the snoopers charter.
I dont doubt that you could do it all with as little as an extension required to watch iplayer. Fact is, there isnt one and they dont do it that way. There are easier ways to see who is watching if they had the power to ask ISP for information.
The level of monitoring you suggest to get round these issues is illegal even with the snoopers charter.
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Powerful but true (and funny)
If you're using the bbc website or iplayer app to watch iplayer then the BBC have full control of how that communicates with the streaming servers. They would easily be able to create patterns in the bandwidth iplayer uses - regardless of what content was actually playing at the time.
I'm more sceptical about how they would be able to monitor the bandwidth your using from their van.