Two schoolgirls abused by 60 men in Aylesbury child sex ring, court hears
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Caporegime
London is the elephant in the room, I don't believe that this didn't go on in certain parts of the capital like, let's say, East London.
Soldato
I agree entirely that police should not fear being viewed as racist, neither should they shy away from controversial cases & leave people open to abuse - this I'm in total agreement of.
Nobody should get a free pass or overlooked in any sense.
The issue is that like it or not, this is a subject used by a section of society to vilify an entire subset & justify prejudice. It's not productive when we have to argue against a vocal section of society who misuse crime to justify bigotry. It's not difficult to spot the genuine bigots from the actual anti-abuse campaigners, just the media seems unable or willing to try.
Lets get it clear, we should most certainly not be apologising for religious or cultural practices which directly result in the harm of innocents. On the other hand, we should neither allow a number to use this harm to justify pre-existing bigotry.
Some of the 'progressives' I agree have been too afraid to criticise when it's appropriate & I fully condemn any who refrains from taking action against another when the evidence is there out of 'fear'.
But this argument has to also be balanced against those who 'muddy the water', it's the same as it's difficult to have a serious conversation about immigration or population control (regarding the net costs & benefits) without it being taken over by over emotional delusion progressives or nationalistic mild xenophobic idiots.
Regarding your last point, I agree - in many cases it will be impossible to know they can be trusted & being locked up for life is a justifiable position. The protection of the majority should be the highest priority.
On a side note the use of the death penalty as advocated here on the other hand should be avoided. No criminal justice system is prefect, we can let out people falsely imprisoned - we can't on the other hand resurrect the dead.
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Caporegime
Seems pretty clear that this is a problem within certain ethnic communities. I don't know why anyone would want to deny that.
Poor Kids
If some bloke did this to my two girls I would introduce a bat to their face.
If your two girls got in to the position where this could happen then something fairly serious has already gone wrong. These gangs prey on vulnerable girls, a lot of whom are already in the care system or known to authorities and already have self worth issues. It is incredibly tragic that, in a lot of cases, they don't even see themselves as victims until after the fact.
Soldato
Two reasons, I think.
Firstly, it's not just one community, but I can see that there is a problem in various different Asian communities. Having said that, "British" communities have the same issues, but perhaps on a less obvious scale.
Secondly, it's not treated as a problem with ethnic communities in this thread - it's all brown people.
That is inaccurate. There are members that are making specific points about specific issues without making a it a wider "all the brown people are wrong uns" thread. But I guess it is probably easier to just argue from two opposed points than deal with the complex issues involved.
I wouldn't say someone ends up in this position because their parents or society has failed them like you appear to be suggesting.
When I was around 14-19 me and a bunch of friends used to go driving around in a car talking to girls we saw hanging around on the streets.
They were just bored teenagers with nothing else to do the same as we were and I guess we seemed interesting to them as they did to us.
quite often we would stumble across the same group of girls and take them for a ride.
We were never after anything other than friendship and hanging out but I can see looking back how easily they could have been manipulated if that would have been our intention.
what would have been the parents failings? other than trusted the kids enough to let them out the house.
I think maybe some people didn't live or forget how boring being a teenager is.
Soldato
Poor Kids
If some bloke did this to my two girls I would introduce a bat to their face.
Yeah I feel for those children, however as RDM points out they don't prey on people with stable, loving, family backgrounds.
Yeah and the very fact they *know* that they can prey on these vulnerable children makes the whole scenario worse. About as low as you can get.
Subhuman scum regardless of beliefs, race or skin colour.
Soldato
She was 11 and not a teenager.
Yes because the scum know that the parents would beat the crap out of the dirty scum.
yea but there not always so young and kids grow up fast these days
Came into this thread expecting cowardly pedo apologists, also not disappointed
Soldato
Doesn't matter. The law is the law. Well for most of us.
Soldato
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Ridiculous. I think what is realy going on is not that, but that people like you will defend foreigners because they are foreigners. How you could even think the above, i think, proves my point. You are the one in fact making it about foreigners.
In order for me to be outraged it does not matter whether a pedo is british or not. I was equally as outraged when a white british group were caught a few weeks ago. I was merely pointing out the difference between the two crimes. You are guilty of what you accuse other people of, ie when white people do crimes then its ok to point out that they are white. But if non white do crimes then people are only outraged because they are not white, by your logic.
In fact i am against rape of any kind and I can be against feminism without also supporting the rape of women. Such an outrageous thing to say that if someone is against feminism then they want women to be raped or don't care about women's rights. I am against feminism but the thing that you don't get is that feminism has nothing to do with women's rights or equality, like you think it does. But that is a different topic.
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Caporegime
Aye, especially when people shag them.
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You are failing to make the distinction between the two types of crimes because you hold prejudice in defending foreigners who commit crime
When we had the white pedo group committing the crime a few weeks ago, you can see that is not something that is specific to white culture in that they knew what they were doing was not ethical and that they were evil ********. With these grooming gang cases, these are people who think what they are doing is completely ethical and consensual. This is a massive difference. As it makes the grooming gangs a problem of culture and not just a few bad apples.