Two schoolgirls abused by 60 men in Aylesbury child sex ring, court hears
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Caporegime
Oh and how is that pray tell?
Religion has never ever caused anyone to do something dumb has it not? Lol.
Clearly you think it has when you're sat berating Christianity in other threads!
Have you heard the term hypocrisy?
It certainly can be a factor, but then we'd expect to see similar abuses from the different Muslim communities, or do you think Pakistani Muslims = majority of Muslims? Are there gangs of white converts involved in child abuse? How about Indonesians?
Caporegime
Exactly! Lol. Shame he can't seem to understand that. Really wouldn't make a very good detective!
But no one is ruling it out we have considered the information and having weighed up the evidence we have decided it's not a factor whereas criminality is otherwise every or even most or many muslim man would be a paedo pimp rather than the infinitesimal percentage who are.
Caporegime
I honestly don't know if there are gangs of white converts. Also don't know what Indonesians are getting up to.
I think one thing though is that a significant percentage of Muslims in this country are of Pakistani decent thus it is also of probability that a significant number of Muslim perpetrators of rape are going to be Pakistani.
What I said however is that it is stupid to immediately discount it, I didn't say it was a factor. It certainly - along with ethnicity seems to be the biggest factor that the perpetrators have in common. I can however appreciate that it doesn't mean it's the de-facto cause. Correlation does not imply causality.
Caporegime
Back track much?
Nope not a centimetre, I suggest you reread my posts if you think that.
The issue though is the abuse. If the abuse was not occuring then the accusations could not be levelled could they. Now I agree there are many in society and in this thread who are using this for their own agenda.
You didn't answer question!
Let me ask you - imagine a questionairre set to people of various ethic makeups, cultural backgrounds and religious flavours. If I were to ask the following do you not thing that there would be a discrepancy depending on those groups?
1) Is sex with a girl under the age of consent acceptable?
2) Is rape acceptable?
3) If a girl under the age of consent is drunk and wearing revealing clothing is she somewhat responsible for men not being able to "control" themselves even if we believe their actions to be wrong?
I suspect you'd get 100% no on No 2 I bet you get a miniscule amount of yes answers to no1. But I bet in the Asian and particularly the Muslim community you'd get a very different spread on no 3. And that is because the views are somewhat stuck in the 70's and we know how well those views worked out for many young girls. A culture that has traditionally and still does view woman as property is going to treat women and girls worse. Simple as.
So once again come one actually answer the question! Yes or no! Does the Asian primarily Muslim section of society have a problem with this.
Don't be a politician and ignore it or sidestep it actually answer.
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Well my concern does not end with the uk. My concern is for people everywhere. For child bribes in yeman, sudan, nigeria, saudi, dubai and more. One would have to be in denial about their own religion if one does not see the culture that it begets.
Your argument is that any reprehensible practice done in the name of religion is excused when there exist members of that religion that do not condone said practice. For Example, if Scientologists were keeping children as slaves and forcing them to work against their will, you would come along and say that does not represent Scientology because i have a mate name tim who is a lovely bloke and who also happens to be Scientologist, therefore its not Scientology to blame.
Hold on there, all of your examples of wrong were Muslim are you suggesting that in the non muslim world there are no wrongs? If so you're wrong there's stacks of evil wrongness in the UK, USA and the EU with countless horrors in the christian countries of Africa, South America and Asia.
Soldato
you could just ask the guys here who are muslim and see if what you say is correct.
I'll give it a go in a bit
Yeah cos everyone who lives in this country speaks English.
Here, have another
Do you get paid for being soooooooo politically correct?
Amazing isn't it. I'm beginning to be convinced that overweight people are more PC.
The term is gravically challenged now.
It would be worth a go. However, I don't think it would capture a real picture of what people think in the broad groups. I suspect most of the Muslim blokes on here are younger and have had a tempering influence on values of the older generation, recent immigrants and are a bit more clued up.
I would suspect if you tested for what I am crudely suggesting there that in Muslim communities and amongst all Asian people you would see a drastic difference between the answers depending on things such as I've just said.
In my experience abuse is normally committed by those that don't think they are abusing or who readily think they can get away with abuse. Therefore it is committed against the vulnerable and the familiar largely by people who see such people as lesser to them for a variety of reasons. I bet you'd get a similar discrepancy from footballers too and people in the media eye. They would see young fans as a perk of the job and we have seen that lead to abuse time and time again.
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Soldato
But will the answer be honest or taqiyya.
You're right on 1 and 2, but to go into a bit of detail, the age of consent varies somewhat in different countries and Islam itself has its own 'age of consent' but regardless the laws of the land must be obeyed in these matters.
On 3, I think you're broadly right, but it's obviously not limited to the Muslim, or Pakistani, community. I do think that a lot of people think that rape can be avoided in some cases if the woman dresses appropriately, and while that's a somewhat Islamic view it doesn't fully appreciate what rape is or why rapists do what they do. It's a generalisation which often comes across as blaming the victim.
My own personal experiences of 'my' culture is that culture often overrides religion and many people, including the younger generation, simply can't always distinguish between religion and culture. In India many Muslims share similar cultural behaviours and attitudes with Hindus and Sikhs some of which have no basis in Islam. I despise the effect some elements of 'culture' has on people, with people I know justifying all sorts of things (arranged marriages, praying for sons and not daughters etc) as something Islamic.
As the recent media attention on rape has shown, India has a huge problem in how women are treated and viewed by men and it's worth remembering that not that long ago Pakistan and Bangladesh were a part of India.
Wasn't directed at me but I do think it's a problem with certain Pakistani communities.
I should add though that I work in policing and it's not entirely appropriate to generalise it as the 'Pakistani' community - most of those involved are from a specific part of Pakistan, one which as I mentioned to a rather senior individual that is known by other Pakistanis are being more backward and narrow minded than others.