Type R and VTEC owners

[Will]

Will MFactory are supposed to be very very good.

I was going to get one of their diffs until the JDM one popped up cheap.

From my reading they seem pretty good! Hopefully getting a little used one that was only bought in November for £350 then think I'm gonna get Area to fit it for me.

Also bought a Flashpro from TDI North, what am I like

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Yeah it's on the overrun.... It's a cheap part, just massive labour. Replacement ones are around and you can usually get the better ones with more appropriate bearing material between the ball bearings, or even needle bearing. Key bit is to go the preload with shims correct otherwise if you throw the case back together after doing other work it will soon show up. Leave it to long and the fretting of the outer race against the case will enlarge the recess in the gearbox for it!

 

[Poppy]

Poppy, get some alternative quotes if you can, I think it can be done for around 350 from various specialists with tensioner etc.

Dont know much about it myself, one of those things I'll worry about if it happens lol. But from browsing around I'm sure I've seen it done, new tensioner included, far below 500

Well the idiot that is my brother is now in a bit of a pickle. He went out for dinner on wednesday night. After he'd eaten and it was time to drive home, he started the car up...it then stalled a few seconds later. He tried to fire her back up but she wasnt having it. Was turning over etc but not starting.

Got it towed to a garage close to where he was. They called him and have told him the camshaft sensor is burnt out, they've managed to start it but its running "like a bag of spanners". He told them that it's booked in with another garage tomorrow for the timing chain and tensioner replacement. The guy at the garage then said its possible its running like it is because the chain may have skipped a few teeth and its possible there could be valve damage. They've told him under no circumstances should it be driven anywhere and should be towed to the timing chain garage.

I have no sympathy for him. I did some reading on it and generally the EML light will illuminate if the belt has skipped some teeth and will run a bit rough. I asked my brother about this and he said the EML has been lit for about 9 months when the VTEC solenoid failed that he hasnt had replaced. He also said it had a very erratic idle the last few weeks! Meaning any other issues which would illuminate the EML have gone un-noticed! I think a £1500 engine rebuild might give him a kick in the right direction when it comes to looking after cars! Will update the thread on Wednesday one the garage have had a proper look.

 

[Vita]

Yeah it's on the overrun.... It's a cheap part, just massive labour. Replacement ones are around and you can usually get the better ones with more appropriate bearing material between the ball bearings, or even needle bearing. Key bit is to go the preload with shims correct otherwise if you throw the case back together after doing other work it will soon show up. Leave it to long and the fretting of the outer race against the case will enlarge the recess in the gearbox for it!

Further investigation today;

1. When the clutch is pressed the noise goes away straight away.
2. When the clutch is engaged, it is present. It is not loud on idle.
3. When driving, the noise is present when in gears and clutch engaged.
4. When driving, taking car out of gear and pressing the clutch, noise goes away.
5. When driving, putting the car in gear, and pressing the clutch, noise returns.

Input shaft bearing, throwaway bearing? What do you think?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Clutch release bearing always gets mentioned during this discussion but that works in reverse of the clutch compared to ISB, it only spin when then clutch lever or hydraulic spigot is disengaing the clutch whereas engaging the clutch spins the input shaft.

Sounds like ISB on your description.

 

[Relentless81]

It sounds a lot like the clutch release bearing, its a typical Honda thing and gets louder until the point where it annoyed me so much on my prelude that I bought a clutch kit and had it changed

Edit - or im totally wrong and its what Jonny said

 

[Vita]

It sounds a lot like the clutch release bearing, its a typical Honda thing and gets louder until the point where it annoyed me so much on my prelude that I bought a clutch kit and had it changed

Edit - or im totally wrong and its what Jonny said

I'm thinking ISB. It had a gearbox fitted in August 2012 from VTEC Direct. That's what it mentions on the receipt/MTF 3 used. I was told by the seller it was an admin error and infact it had the syncros replaced. I find that hard to believe as the work which was carried out does not match the quote for syncros rebuild. It's actually less (great).

How much would I be looking at to get this fixed, if it is infact the ISB. Looked around google and seems like it's a tranny out job along with opening the box etc.

Should I replace the clutch/flywheel too. It had them both fitted in 2012 IIRC.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Yeps its an gearbox off and case open to rectify. No need to touch the clutch.

Should really be done whenever the box is open as its a perfect opportunity much like a water pump when people do cambelts!

 

[Vita]

Yeps its an gearbox off and case open to rectify. No need to touch the clutch.

Should really be done whenever the box is open as its a perfect opportunity much like a water pump when people do cambelts!

Ah great. I'll have to ring Honda up and get a quote for the cost of the ISB. Great time to buy a car for me, woopee. I shouldn't complain though, with the nature of this car I wouldn't be surprised.

It's done a 108k, I'm questioning the gearbox it's in may have done a lot more miles, or a lot less but hasn't been looked after.

Would you recommend going for thicker oil?

 

[Relentless81]

Actually now that I think back properly mine definitely used to do it when I was engaging the clutch and didnt make any noise when disengaging

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I honestly dont know the fix as oil change from MTF might cause more problems than good with the syncros. I dont fully undertand the failure mechanism that causes it although id like to think the oil changes at 60k muight help I think the plastic in the bearing simple shrinks and the balls end up with movement and fret the race so that they have room to move and hence the noise.

My Insight has the same symptons..... got no worse in 60k!

 

[Vita]

I honestly dont know the fix as oil change from MTF might cause more problems than good with the syncros. I dont fully undertand the failure mechanism that causes it although id like to think the oil changes at 60k muight help I think the plastic in the bearing simple shrinks and the balls end up with movement and fret the race so that they have room to move and hence the noise.

My Insight has the same symptons..... got no worse in 60k!

This is the thing though, It doesn't seem to affect performance. Would you recommend I do it now though? I don't want it getting worse over time you see, and I'm planning on keeping this for a long time. I drive often, especially town driving so it does make sense for me to change it early on.

Worse case scenario is my local fixes it and the noise still remains.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

The end float should be quite apparent and if it isnt the rough spinning from the input shaft on the gearbox before its opened.

 

[Vita]

The end float should be quite apparent and if it isnt the rough spinning from the input shaft on the gearbox before its opened.

Ok thank you for your help.

EDIT: Clutch release bearing may be my first port of call. As it can also occur when clutch is not pressed. If it was ISB it would take a 1-2 seconds to slow down, this noise stops as soon as the clutch is pressed rapidly. Even feathering the clutch in idle (bite to non bite), it comes as soon as it bites.

EDIT2: Stormster I'm sure you had this problem? Can you shed any light for me on this.

 

[Stormster]

Hi mate, yeah I sort of have this problem but I'm not really worried about it as its so massively common.

On mine, with the clutch out you get a light sort of rustling noise in neutral, will no doubt do it in gear but can't hear it really.

Press the clutch and silence.

Coming down the revs around 3k and downwards you hear a sort of louder rustle/very light rattle of sorts... did loads of searching and it's dead common, people have had their clutches and release bearings changed and still had it, big garages told them not to worry like TGM and the likes...

I aren't too fussed, I had MTF3 put in not long ago, clutch fluid changed to see if it helps but it doesn't, box feels strong though and I aint paying to rip it off and change the input shaft bearing.

It will be due a clutch before long as the bite point is very low and its quite stiff now, sometimes doesn't like going in gear when razzing it. Will see what its like after that but I've spent thousands on it in the last 12 months so I'm not in a rush to spend more apart from the essentials now! lol.

Sometimes you have to put it into perspective. If the car is an essentially cheap car then you have to learn to live with niggles. Does it feel strong and safe, change gear nice, drive and vtec properly? If so and it's not LOUD, don't let it worry you. Thats my take on it.

PS: I aint no mechanic so don't take that advice as gospel!

Poppy, ballache right there! Hope it's not too serious!

 

[rjk]

looks like i am getting a storming deal on my diff fitting.

pretty much half price to what others have quoted and thats with new diff bearings fitted included in the price.

i just need to supply the MTF myself.

this is obviously at mates rates, but very astounded at the price. will post more once i have it confirmed.

tempted to scrape together the funds to get it done before my track day on the 3rd

 

[Muffin`]

Yeah get it done before the track day, at least if it goes bang on the straight the pics will be awesome.

What kind of diff is it?


I've just bought a '98 Spec ARB and a 1" MC... my car is become a facelift part by part

 

[rjk]

its a honda jdm diff

just waiting to hear back on final pricing. i have a feeling they are assuming my gearbox is off the car. need confirmation of that first.

 

[Vita]

Honda parts lol. I went to get some washers and bolts for my car, thought I'd get some spare, came to £152 quid something. That included 2litre of MTF-3/oil pressure sensor. Rest were just bolts/clips.

Sorry but that's just ridiculous. Anyway paid £70 something for 2 bottles of MTF/Oil pressure sensor. Time to look for a breaking ATR and get the bits that I need off that.

 

[Will]

looks like i am getting a storming deal on my diff fitting.

pretty much half price to what others have quoted and thats with new diff bearings fitted included in the price.

i just need to supply the MTF myself.

this is obviously at mates rates, but very astounded at the price. will post more once i have it confirmed.

tempted to scrape together the funds to get it done before my track day on the 3rd

Is this through Elite? If you wanna ask how much they'd want to fit an mfactory in an fn2 feel free sure theyd like you sending more trade their way...

I should be getting my fn2 this Saturday, had the insurance payout from the s2000 now so all set for it