Type R and VTEC owners
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Had a look and not my cup of tea. Doesn't go as well as I thought but the handing was ok. Seemed a little like a dc5 In saloon body. Grown old of the vtec noise though.
Thing is the standard car handles quote well for a big thing and with the 2.4 (which is quite well suited to the car) isn't leagues apart in overall performance - certainly not for the likely £4-5 grand difference in asking price for something the same age.
^ Have you driven one? I always see that comment from people who haven't driven one, they are hell of a different to drive to a CL9, someone I know used to always say that until they went and bought a CL7, mind changed pretty quickly! The CL7 is also better than a DC5, don't mistake the drivetrain being the same equals to the car being the same, they drive differently, and the CL7 has much more tuning potential than DC5, the only negative is the extra weight.
Also they might be a couple of grand more than a CL9, but they also have a couple of grand worth of more gear and rarer. Try modding a CL9 to become something similar to the CL7 and see how much extra you end up spending. The one great thing about the CL9 is the K24 also has hell of a lot tuning potential with the engine and hydraulic steering but there is no masgical LSD.
Also they might be a couple of grand more than a CL9, but they also have a couple of grand worth of more gear and rarer. Try modding a CL9 to become something similar to the CL7 and see how much extra you end up spending. The one great thing about the CL9 is the K24 also has hell of a lot tuning potential with the engine and hydraulic steering but there is no masgical LSD.
The numbers just don't stack up for me (haven't driven one) - they're not that powerful yet command somewhere around £7k for a 2003/2004 car. The same money buys you newer, more powerful saloons either with a na or turbocharged engine whatever takes your fancy.
If they were ever actually sold here the price would probably make them more appealing I guess.
If they were ever actually sold here the price would probably make them more appealing I guess.
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By massive co-incidence I saw a white 53 plate one of these today. Probably the first one I'd ever seen. I assume that's what it was anyway, it looked like a Type-R but I know they didn't do one in this shape.
Your 330i is a better car though so not sure why you'd swap.
How does the cl7 have 'much more tuning potential' than a DC5, fundamentally they have the same engine (well, very similar variants of the same K20), surely what can be swapped, bolted on or dropped in (manifolds, cams etc) will be much the same for each? There are far more aftermarket items available for the integra as well from what I've seen as well.
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When have Honda's ever been massively powerful? All of the K20 in Type R's range from ~200-220bhp, they've never been about big displacement or big power figures, but rather the drive. As for being able to buy something else for the money, well you can argue that about pretty much any car, these cars tend to attract Jap and Honda enthusiasts, so I don't expect any tom dick or harry to buy one, probably one of the reasons why they never sold it here, EDM buyers are pretty one sided and boring.
DC5 is pretty much tricked out straight from the factory in everyway, the Accord has been built to have some comfort, the suspension and chassis of the Accord is far better than the DC5 and you can do hell of a lot more with it, DC5 has Stream chassis with mcpherson struts, so you are limited, Accord has all round double wishbone, if you want to build something IMO the Accord has more potential, i'm pretty sure Spoon said this about the CL7 too in of the BM episodes. Drivetrain wise, I'm not sure statistically which has more options, I would imagine the DC5 might being a proper sports car, but there is plenty of mods available for the CL7 and it also has bigger engine bay so for some things like custom headers you have more leeway with space etc.
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Just because something has mac struts doesn't make it inferior. The accord is 200-300kgs heavier than the DC5 so whatever it has that disadvantage is a big one. Plus in something like an accord the last thing I would want is a screaming four pot under the bonnet. I would want an effortless torquey powerplant. It is a car that is trying to do two things at once.
The CL7 isn't huge amount bigger than the DC5, its around 10 inches longer, the rest of dimensions are around the same, the longer length and saloon actually helps with traction and high speed stability, the CH1\CL1 is one of the best handling FWD cars ever made so that size is not an issue. The achilles heel of the CL7 is it's weight from stock, around 2-300kg heavier than DC5, but it's a 5 seater saloon built to be a jack of all trades from the factory, so thats expected.
If anyone is interested, here is what Ichishima-san of Spoon said about the Accord:
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
If anyone is interested, here is what Ichishima-san of Spoon said about the Accord:
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Of course not, some of the great performance cars use struts, but speaking generally it's alwaus DW > Struts anyday, and if you have owned Honda's you can tell the difference, DC2 IMO is superior to DC5, nearly every tuner I see complains about the struts on the DC5, you can't beat the control a DW suspension offers, it can make hell of a difference.
Of course the DC5 is better out of the factory, it's literally a street legal factory made race car, the Accord is a compromised road car built to offer some level of comfort and thrills at the same time, but you have a great amount of tuning abilities with it, the chassis is superb and gives you great base. I love my screaming four pots so the CL7 is right up my street, if you prefer bland effortless wafter than you have the 2.4 Type S, hence why Europe got that as the market prefers that sort of car and the Japanese got a hot version, they have much more interesting and enthusiastic taste.
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Ah yes, I forgot. The Honda Accord is a track weapon, the 3 Series is a limo.
Back in the real world though, really?
The Accord and 3 Series are very similar cars - both are 4 door saloons of similar size - the Accord is a bit lighter but also less powerful. The 3 Series is quicker and has a torquier engine, the Accord revs higher. The Accord has an LSD, the 3 Series is RWD. There are pro's and cons of each but it's blatant fanboyism to try and paint the 3 Series as some sort of wafter to the Accord's hard edged uber status.
I suspect there is a reason why the Euro R wasn't badged and sold as a proper Type R and that reason would be that it's a Sporty Accord, in much the same way that the similarly aged 330i Sport is a Sporty 3 Series.
Two different takes on the same sort of concept. Let's not pretend the Accord is a 4 door DC5 because it isn't. Sure, it shares bits, but then a 3 Series Touring shares bits of a Z4 Coupe too and they are both quite different cars..