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That's a good point but you could have a 2.4 accord for the week and a s2k for the weekend for the same price as a euro r....
'Race spec' gear box on the CL7? The fan boy is strong in in this one.
Race spec implies sequential to me, maybe straight cut gears, or a dog box, not just a snickety six speed with an lsd (not even that aggressive a diff is it either?). The Honda 6 speed is a cracking box but don't go telling me it's 'Race spec'.
Race spec implies sequential to me, maybe straight cut gears, or a dog box, not just a snickety six speed with an lsd (not even that aggressive a diff is it either?). The Honda 6 speed is a cracking box but don't go telling me it's 'Race spec'.
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True but in the grand scheme of things will not be a lot. I insure a second car for 250 plus another 285 for tax. Pick up a 2.0 accord and you will offset that cost with mpg savings. Servicing max 500 a year for the second car. Total of a grand to run a second car which will be ofset by mpg savings during the week and depreciation of the weekend car due to lower mileage.
I can't see why it wouldn't be the same box as your FN2 with possibly a different FD.
Of course it is, so is the one in DC5, these are used in actual race cars, albeit engineers change some of the ratios and final drive to suit conditions. They are not your regular boxes found in "sporty" models.
Any properly serious race car will have a sequential box.
The cl7 six speed is a regular box found in sporty models (like the type RS, it's essentially the same box as in a Jdm ep3, an fn2 with a diff, an fd2, or a dc5), that it is retained in club/entry level motorsport does not make it somehow any more special than any other gearbox.
The mx5 I have is raced in various race series where the factory gearbox is retained for cost reasons, this does not mean it is a 'Race spec' box! Just that it's cheap and durable, it is retained for cost reasons to keep the race cars affordable, not because it's somehow any more special than any other gearbox.
That you mention the race cars sometimes change the drive ratios is further reason to demonstrate that the cl7 road car box cannot really be considered 'race spec', if it needs modifying for race use.
Of course, but the use of "race" is generic, I wasn't saying you could just take one straight out of the factory and start competing in 16 rounds of BTCC in one. I would call it "race spec", maybe its the wrong term to use I dont know, but I would also call the K20a engine "race spec", because these are high performance units that you can take to the track and race out of the box, the DC5 is practically a race car, Honda used to sell them directly as such too, the K20a drivetrain were also sold by Honda directly for competition use. As for modifying, typically the box is going to have some mod done to it to suit whatever "race" style you are doing.
Regardless of terminologies or any deeper intricacies of the term, my point still stands as I was trying to demonstrate to Fox that the CL7 isn't just a "sporty" model, its a proper high performance "type R" version of the Accord. The "race spec" gearbox is highlighting that it has a proper performance box, the "sporty" version of the Accord ala the CL9's does not have this.
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So far the only explanation you have for why its oh so very different to a 330i Sport which looks to me to be a similar car from a different manufacturer is 'because Honda!'.
I use the term sporty to refer to cars like the Type R, I wasn't saying it was like a Focus 1.6 Sport.
Unless the next chapter of this is how the EP3 is so much more than a sporty hot hatch like a Focus ST or something.
The Accord is an Accord with 220bhp, better suspension, better styling, different exhaust etc. Which seems to be exactly what the 330i Sport is. In fact the only big ticket item the Accord has that the 330i Sport doesn't is the LSD but then its FWD not RWD.
Ignoring the M3 which was loads more money loads more performance and not available as a saloon anyway both cars being discussed here were each manufacturers range topping performance saloon variant.
Why are they chalk and cheese?
I am open to the idea that I am wrong. But you have not done a very good job of convincing me so far.
I use the term sporty to refer to cars like the Type R, I wasn't saying it was like a Focus 1.6 Sport.
Unless the next chapter of this is how the EP3 is so much more than a sporty hot hatch like a Focus ST or something.
The Accord is an Accord with 220bhp, better suspension, better styling, different exhaust etc. Which seems to be exactly what the 330i Sport is. In fact the only big ticket item the Accord has that the 330i Sport doesn't is the LSD but then its FWD not RWD.
Ignoring the M3 which was loads more money loads more performance and not available as a saloon anyway both cars being discussed here were each manufacturers range topping performance saloon variant.
Why are they chalk and cheese?
I am open to the idea that I am wrong. But you have not done a very good job of convincing me so far.
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Where did I say it was "oh so" different to a 330i?! I said the way they drive is different, the Honda is more a high revving car and a bit more raw that you drive like a hooligan, the Beemer is a much more sedate and effortless car where you drive like an old man.
As for sporty, you were claiming before the CL7 isn't a a type R and that it's just a "sporty" Accord, the same way 330i is just sporty and not an M3, which is not true.
Maybe you should go and drive one back to back if you can't understand the fact that the two cars have a different take on the way they drive.
As for sporty, you were claiming before the CL7 isn't a a type R and that it's just a "sporty" Accord, the same way 330i is just sporty and not an M3, which is not true.
Maybe you should go and drive one back to back if you can't understand the fact that the two cars have a different take on the way they drive.
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I'm with fox on this one. They're both 4 door saloons with similar power and similar performance.
The fact that the 330i isn't the top of the range M3 doesn't mean you have to put your slippers on and drive it like a grandad. I'm sure it's a very capable car.
The fact that the 330i isn't the top of the range M3 doesn't mean you have to put your slippers on and drive it like a grandad. I'm sure it's a very capable car.