Vita might?
Type R and VTEC owners
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Vita might?
But that's Vita, he never makes his mind up. He's almost as bad as me. Plus it looks as if he's made his decision already.
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Helpful.
That would be like me saying the only reason you think the CL7 is super special is because you are a blinkered Honda fanboy - ie unhelpful and provocative.
Well except Vita, the entire reason this discussion is happening. The guy who thought about a CL7 versus his current 330i.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Both are 4 door. Both are saloons. Both have about 220bhp (330i 230bhp, CL7 205bhp). Both do 0-60 in about 7 seconds (The 330i just under, the CL7 just over). Both weigh about 1400kg +/i 100kg. Both seat 5. Both have a 6 speed manual box with Sports suspension. Both are targeted as 'sports saloons'. You could bring the Mondeo ST220 into the mix as well, another very similar car. These are all about as similar as you can get!
In what way are they so radically different? The main difference is that one is FWD and one is RWD.
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We could have an interesting debate about the relative similarities and differences between two cars which, at first glance, seem very similar.
Or we could just pick each others posts to bits. I see you've opted for the latter.
I don't think that's a ridiculous statement - his 330i *is* a better car in my opinion. It's faster, it's got a better engine (Yea, I went there - but I'm happy to justify it and explain why if asked) and it's hardly a badly set up drivers car is it?
You are going on like I've just suggested a 114i Urban is 'basically better than an NSX'. Get a grip
Or we could just pick each others posts to bits. I see you've opted for the latter.
I don't think that's a ridiculous statement - his 330i *is* a better car in my opinion. It's faster, it's got a better engine (Yea, I went there - but I'm happy to justify it and explain why if asked) and it's hardly a badly set up drivers car is it?
You are going on like I've just suggested a 114i Urban is 'basically better than an NSX'. Get a grip
I'm not a fan of the E46 but I'd happily take an E90 330i over a CL7.Like I said it was offered to me but I didn't feel as I imagined it to feel like. Was stiffer and it went OK, but the sense of speed and handling capability couldn't touch the even broken ch1 I had. I got bored of the noise straight away and coming away from the auto box in the 330i was strange.
I realised then that the 330i I have despite being on stupid suspension wasn't that bad and I enjoyed toodling along at 2krpm. I couldn't give up the creature comforts either. A part of me also said to stick to the don't buy another Honda again even though my mate is trustworthy and has genuine documents for it. I wouldn't say it's a bad car for an everyday car as well as the odd b road blast.
Yet how often do I go b road blasting? How often do I want to look like a bigger doorknob then I already do? Im a big Honda fan even after all the bad experience I have had yet I actually do prefer the bmw. Like I said maybe I got bored of the vtec noise and precision handling. It just isn't for me until I have my midlife crisis.
[TW]Fox;28940699 said:
And how many CL7 Type R's have you driven? Or is your opinion based purely on statistics written on a bit of paper?
I had many run ins with 330i's when I had my EP3 and DC5 and there was nothing in it, they are pretty much the same speed in a straight line as a CL7, so I don't see how a 330 is faster than a CL7 except maybe a tenth or two in acceleration? I also don't see any official UK performance figures. Plus, down a fast A road, nice UK B road or on track the CL7 would pull a fairly decent gap on the 330i. It's not too dissimilar a car to the FD2 yet that leaves some pretty impressive machinery in its mirrors when you remove dual carriageway races out of the equation.
The CL7 has better economy, it's cheaper to service, it'll be less likely to go wrong than the 330i, it's faster at being a fast car. It has many positives going for it so I find it pretty laughable that you can brandish the 330 as the superior car. Both are extremely good and capable in their own right.
No offence Fox, but what you wrote is nonsense, you've never tried these cars out and even have wrong info about them yet you think it's all just blind fanboyism, I can rip into the CL7 too from a factual point of view, its far from a perfect car, so it's nothing to do with fanboyism, but people criticising the car on the wrong basis when they have never tried them and using "stats" they have found on the internet.
Neither the 330i is a "better car" than the CL7 nor is the CL7 better than the 330i, the end game of both is pretty different to each other. One is a car that you have to drive hard to get the most out of, and it is a better enthusiasts car in that matter, the other is a much more civilised car which is also good to drive, but a lot less frantic, IMO a bit more of an old mans style of driving.
Also the CL7 has 217bhp not 205, and 0-60 time is not 7.1, anyone who knows Honda will know the performance figures are always very conservative, this car will do 60 in the sub 6 sec bracket, the 330i is not a very fast car as you make out to be, know from experience so the CL7 won't have any major issues against it.
As for the CL7 being just a "sporty" Accord, thats laughable, look at the specs of the car, do you really think that is just a sporty Accord? it has a better spec than even an EDM EP3, the "Euro R" is just a branding exercise, the the CL1 was also named Euro R and that car is more hardcore than your CH1 Accord branded as a Type R, if the CL7 was sold in UK it would have received a Type R moniker. Honda's have never been about big horsepower or outright pace so I don't know why everyone always keep bringing this up as some point of contention.
At the end of the day both cars despite having similar specs drive differently, you can't say one is superior, it comes down to how you like your cars to drive. I certainly would not recommend Vita spending 8k on a CL7 knowing his luck with Honda's, when he seems to have a perfectly good car at this moment in time.
Neither the 330i is a "better car" than the CL7 nor is the CL7 better than the 330i, the end game of both is pretty different to each other. One is a car that you have to drive hard to get the most out of, and it is a better enthusiasts car in that matter, the other is a much more civilised car which is also good to drive, but a lot less frantic, IMO a bit more of an old mans style of driving.
Also the CL7 has 217bhp not 205, and 0-60 time is not 7.1, anyone who knows Honda will know the performance figures are always very conservative, this car will do 60 in the sub 6 sec bracket, the 330i is not a very fast car as you make out to be, know from experience so the CL7 won't have any major issues against it.
As for the CL7 being just a "sporty" Accord, thats laughable, look at the specs of the car, do you really think that is just a sporty Accord? it has a better spec than even an EDM EP3, the "Euro R" is just a branding exercise, the the CL1 was also named Euro R and that car is more hardcore than your CH1 Accord branded as a Type R, if the CL7 was sold in UK it would have received a Type R moniker. Honda's have never been about big horsepower or outright pace so I don't know why everyone always keep bringing this up as some point of contention.
At the end of the day both cars despite having similar specs drive differently, you can't say one is superior, it comes down to how you like your cars to drive. I certainly would not recommend Vita spending 8k on a CL7 knowing his luck with Honda's, when he seems to have a perfectly good car at this moment in time.
So about the same as a 330i then. Fancy that 
What makes an CL7 more than a sporty Accord? What fundamental differences does it have that a 330i Sport lacks? Genuine question - let's have an interesting discussion not a fanboy war.
I'm declaring my interest by saying I wouldn't buy either
What makes an CL7 more than a sporty Accord? What fundamental differences does it have that a 330i Sport lacks? Genuine question - let's have an interesting discussion not a fanboy war.
I'm declaring my interest by saying I wouldn't buy either
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What makes it more than a sporty Accord? It has K20a engine, Type R power plant, 6 speed race spec RBC3 gearbox with the LSD, stiffened chassis with harder spring settings, EPS system, under carriage IIRC is more streamlined, interior has recaros, momo wheel etc.
The CL9 Type S which is a "sporty" Accord, has none of this, it also on stock ECU tune has around 1k of VTEC lol.
The CL9 Type S which is a "sporty" Accord, has none of this, it also on stock ECU tune has around 1k of VTEC lol.
my mind is clear
[TW]Fox;28942415 said:
Shirley you can see that they're aimed at two entirely different market sectors on opposite sides of the world and calling one 'better' than the other is like comparing a BigMac with Cottage Pie. One's fast, cheap and bad for your health whilst the other is an unapologetically lethargic pile of stodge that suits the slipper wearing, flat cap wearing nitwits that inhabit an island in the sea.