Type R and VTEC owners

[TW]Fox;29159333 said:
Why do people fit these trackday tyres on roadcars anyway? Glad you are ok, could have been a lot worse.
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Because they do lots of track days, oh wait.....

People ask me for tyre recommendations a lot and I always ask them, do you drive it on the road every day, if they say yes I always recommend:

F1AS2
MPSS
V105's

Why?

Because they are exceptional road tyres that are also brilliant in our typical UK weather, cold, wet, greasy roads. Even my M3 track car is running V105's because it spends more time on the road than track and they are exceptional in the wet and cold.

The Mustang has Pzero's in the cold and wet they are absolute lethal, no grip at all, but I just take it very easy in wet/colder conditions and build into the throttle so when it starts letting go it is normally progressive and not a brown pants moment.

Pirelli, semi-slicks are absolutely useless in winter time, I've tried pretty much all of them, there place is hot summer days and track work. The only car AD08's were OK for me in the cold was the EVO, they still had no grip but the EVO's AWD means even in no grip situations the car is so tame.


Chris really sorry about the car, we've all being there, my S2000 caught me out because I was too relaxed and half asleep, but I got lucky, seems you did not, I hope insurance pays out the correct value to let you get back into something you will enjoy, you never seemed to gel with the S2000 anyway, get yourself a GTR or back into an EVO. :)
 
Clarkey said:
It's not the tyres fault at all. AD08 isn't a track tyre anyway it's primarily a street tyre. I've been using them for years, on cars more grunty than s2000, never had a problem.
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I ran AD08, non R on my CTR over a winter and never had any real problems with them but they werent very confidence inspiring at low temperatures.

I avoided fitting them to my S2000 because I wanted a high performance all rounder with a good wear rate and my last set of AD08s didnt last long at all. The AD08 is still a great road tyre. It isnt like its unsafe or anything, just doesnt operate at its best in cold weather. I would rather have AD08R on an S2000 in cold weather than Toyos or some other tat like that.
 
rjk said:
I ran AD08, non R on my CTR over a winter and never had any real problems with them but they werent very confidence inspiring at low temperatures.
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Sounds like you drove to their limitations then. I know I hated bridgestones in this weather. It was like having Lego tyres.

I wonder if it was a 1st to 2nd gear change that broke traction. This is where things like solid engine mounts etc don't help with instant shock loads.

I hit a patch of ice many years ago. Luckily only going 30ish but the whole car went 90 degrees down a country with both bumpers in the hedge. They do go very quickly when you have a different of grip on the tyres
 
I drive my MX5 like miss daisy in the wet/cold with AD08R fitted even with 100bhp less than an S2000 they brake traction very easily. Ideally I would have winters for 6 months of the year
 
Simon said:
Sounds like you drove to their limitations then. I know I hated bridgestones in this weather. It was like having Lego tyres.

I wonder if it was a 1st to 2nd gear change that broke traction. This is where things like solid engine mounts etc don't help with instant shock loads.
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driving to within their limits on an easy to drive sorted FWD hatchback isn't difficult, but as I say, didn't make me feel exceptionally safe. I wouldn't want to apply the same to my S2000.

Agree on the bridgestone comment, the MPS4 I have handle this weather perfectly with performance in line with the potenzas in the dry.
They feel very similar to the AD08 I had previously in terms of grip level and feedback but with the added benefit of strong performance in poor conditions. Best of both worlds.


I guess that is what 10 years of tyre development does though in fairness.

I'm happy with the decision as they compliment the car well which was my only worry when buying a new/unproven tyre [especially considering how garbage the MPS3 was] and me being in the Honda mindset of "stiffsidewalls4life" because it has worked well up until now.
 
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Simon said:
Sounds like you drove to their limitations then. I know I hated bridgestones in this weather. It was like having Lego tyres.

I wonder if it was a 1st to 2nd gear change that broke traction. This is where things like solid engine mounts etc don't help with instant shock loads.

I hit a patch of ice many years ago. Luckily only going 30ish but the whole car went 90 degrees down a country with both bumpers in the hedge. They do go very quickly when you have a different of grip on the tyres
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I don't have solid mounts, they are Spoon mounts which are basically OEM with a little extra bracing. The issue wasn't 1st to 2nd change, I've already posted what the issue was, which was too much throttle in 2nd gear on a left hand corner exiting the roundabout combined with cold tyres, a damp road and most likely lack of my ability behind the wheel.
 
Gibbo said:
The Mustang has Pzero's in the cold and wet they are absolute lethal, no grip at all, but I just take it very easy in wet/colder conditions and build into the throttle so when it starts letting go it is normally progressive and not a brown pants moment.
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I can wholly agree with this statement, I’ve had a few moment with the backend randomly letting go even when I’ve been feathering the throttle.

Sorry to hear the bad news about the car, as long as you walked away that's the main thing.
 
[TW]Fox;29162016 said:
Miss Daisy didn't drive. Perhaps you drive it like you are driving Miss Daisy?

Jus Sayin.
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Lol, you know exactly what I mean. Would it make you feel any better if I said I drove it like an OAP

Jonnycoupe said:
Unless it actually has a rear seat he was driving from which explains the 4 cupholders in MX5s! :p
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Mines a peasant spec mk2, it only has 2 cup holders (Which are very inconveniently positioned making them unusable)
 
Sorry to hear about your car it was a cracking example

Have to agree with whats being said on tyres though. Living in the highlands so temps are low this time of year and the AD08Rs are really very poor in cold wet/damp conditions. I certainly find them a good bit worse than the Re050 and as been said they are also poor when its cold.

A s2k is just not a car to provoke when conditions are poor regardless what people say. Simple because when it goes you dont get a huge amount of time to save it.
 
NathWraith said:
I ran AD08 no R's on the CRZ hybrid café racer for two years over 30K miles and went through 2 sets.

Never gave me trouble even in the snow.
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I think a huge thing that contributes to it is the S2000. It seems so sensitive to any sort of changes. Also its the worst car in the snow i have ever used
 
flinco i remember my Toyo T1R actually glad i bent em wheels and gotten Falken with new wheels. But with new box remap engine mounts ect i could use something with more grip. With amount of wheel spin im having now it wont take long. But im bit limited with 15inch rims tho Ill see when day comes.

Sad 2 hear about S2k one of reasons im not even looking for RWD cars. FWD or AWD im to crap of a driver would crash any RWD with matter of time :P
 
Disciplined right foot and smooth is all you need.

Full throttle in a corner is never going to end well unless roads are warm and dry
 
Worthwhile getting a second set of cheap rims to run some standard/winter tyres (depending where you live of course ;), when you're not enjoying the summer tyres.

When the M135i goes back next month I'll have to get the DC2 roadworthy and ready for Knockhill in March. The RS2 tyres will do for that then I'll be fitting some AD08R for the summer/fun times and some spare rims with winter tyres on for regular plodding to work in the cold/wet.

But I'll mostly be rollin' in the Berlingo Type-R for wasted mileage commuting :D
 
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