People can, they talk about what they would do to a person that would hurt a loved one ect.
The difference I suppose is doing it to someone you don’t know for no good reason other than wanting to be an alpha male.
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The difference I suppose is doing it to someone you don’t know for no good reason other than wanting to be an alpha male.
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I think the point being raised about "resisting arrest", is that in the US, with fire arms equipped Police and known brutality of the Police, AND that unless if you're in a public place and can get to a more safe location IMMEDIATELY, trying to scarper in any fashion (or, "Resisting Arrest") is basically an invitation for trouble. So the advice to not "resist arrest" is the best way to stay alive and have your day in court.
Except it only ever needs one instance for that to be untrue for people to be suspicious of being neutered among people you know can easily be violent thugs, this 'arrest' will only decrease the public's willingness to listen to the police.
I don’t get this argument about how he shouldn’t have resisted arrest…
5 men attacked him, in a full on brutal assault, an assault so severe it killed him after 3 days in hospital.
There’s no excuse for it, he was brutalised and beaten to a pulp by an out of control mob wearing police uniforms, who’ve now all been charged with murder.
5 men attacked him, in a full on brutal assault, an assault so severe it killed him after 3 days in hospital.
There’s no excuse for it, he was brutalised and beaten to a pulp by an out of control mob wearing police uniforms, who’ve now all been charged with murder.
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I think a lot of posters are letting emotions run their thought process at the moment and not looking at things logically. Which is natural in cases like this.
Was the man being attached by 5 others (Cops)? Yes and it also lead to this death. This is absolutely abhorent.
Did the man "resist arrest"? He escaped (temporarily) and the other cops chased after him. So yes. Even though this evasion (resisting arrest) was instigated by their own fear for their lives by being attacked by the US Police, they had zero help or safety to get to in any immediate capacity, and thus was inviting trouble by the pursuing US Police.
Is sitting there and taking it a good idea? No, no it is not. However, given options available, running and getting chased down (potentially gunfire as well) vs getting hit and complying and (more likely, but not necessarily true either) living to tell the tale, the latter option is probably more important. But that might just be me. But I'd know which one gives me more chance of being alive at the end of it.
Should the US Police be like this? That's not for me to say. Ideally, no. But again, how the US Police act is not related to the advice to do not "resist iarrest" by US Cops, but the fact of the sitaution.
Think of it another way, you don't go to Russia, point a gun at Putin, and expect his bodyguards to suddenly switch sides and not protect him because "it's the RIGHT thing to do", right? US Cops, brutality and carries fire arms and KNOWN to use them. ie. Fatal if you do anything the US Police do not like. Get to the police station, get a lawyer, but do not "resist the arrest" as that only invites the US Police to act even MORE aggressively than they are already.
Was the man being attached by 5 others (Cops)? Yes and it also lead to this death. This is absolutely abhorent.
Did the man "resist arrest"? He escaped (temporarily) and the other cops chased after him. So yes. Even though this evasion (resisting arrest) was instigated by their own fear for their lives by being attacked by the US Police, they had zero help or safety to get to in any immediate capacity, and thus was inviting trouble by the pursuing US Police.
Is sitting there and taking it a good idea? No, no it is not. However, given options available, running and getting chased down (potentially gunfire as well) vs getting hit and complying and (more likely, but not necessarily true either) living to tell the tale, the latter option is probably more important. But that might just be me. But I'd know which one gives me more chance of being alive at the end of it.
Should the US Police be like this? That's not for me to say. Ideally, no. But again, how the US Police act is not related to the advice to do not "resist iarrest" by US Cops, but the fact of the sitaution.
Think of it another way, you don't go to Russia, point a gun at Putin, and expect his bodyguards to suddenly switch sides and not protect him because "it's the RIGHT thing to do", right? US Cops, brutality and carries fire arms and KNOWN to use them. ie. Fatal if you do anything the US Police do not like. Get to the police station, get a lawyer, but do not "resist the arrest" as that only invites the US Police to act even MORE aggressively than they are already.
What people say they’ll do and what they’d actually do are usually two different things. That’d said I get your point. I’d say the same, if someone hurt my family I’d want to beat them to a pulp. But would I do that with a body camera recording me, not likely unless I’d completely lost my mind.
Still can’t believe how out of control those cops got - blood lust, red mist, whatever it’s called, absolutely brutal to watch. That chap was going into an ambulance irrespective of him trying to leg it I reckon.
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To me he appeared to be cooperating for a the period prior to legging it. But was being pinned by multiple officers in different positions whilst all shouting different instructions, which were impossible to comply with, whilst taking the opportunity to beat the crap out of him for not doing the impossible.
His literal only choice was to run or continue getting pummelled for not being able to perform houdini moves whilst being held down.
This is by design by cops, just shout impossible instructions so you can continue beating or just shout out false claims like he’s reaching for my gun, which is usually good for a few more lumps.
His literal only choice was to run or continue getting pummelled for not being able to perform houdini moves whilst being held down.
This is by design by cops, just shout impossible instructions so you can continue beating or just shout out false claims like he’s reaching for my gun, which is usually good for a few more lumps.
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No. But that's not the point. The point is if you hadn't walked in to the road you break the chain of events. Him running could have been a trigger. Literally nobody is saying what they did is acceptable but a different chain of events could have changed what occurred. Obviously the simple change was for them not to be a bunch of savages.
In a way this is because of the accessability of guns to the police in the US.
When they have guns they don't give proper time to take down techniques like what happens here (and probably european countries).
5 men couldn't hold 1 guy down.
The cop who did the soccer kick should be on charges of murder.
When they have guns they don't give proper time to take down techniques like what happens here (and probably european countries).
5 men couldn't hold 1 guy down.
The cop who did the soccer kick should be on charges of murder.
I understand what you're trying to say but I fundamentally disagree that running from being attacked can be classed as "resisting arrest", which nullifies your point. If a bear attacks you out of no where, is your first thought to lie down and poop yourself, or to run? Now contextualise that by correlating it with the average persons mentality and you'll see how preaching to "not resist arrest" whilst you're being beaten is nothing more than wasted breath.
It's this type of justification that enables the US system to continue to abuse their citizens, shifting the onus onto the civilian rather than blaming the ones who abuse their authority.
Didn’t George Floyd call out to his Mom? I might me wrong but I thought I remembered something similar.
I don't know, but he may well have.
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Sorry but I don't subscribe to the idea that you automatically have to bow to the authority of the state, especially if you feel those agents of the state mean you harm. Objecting or even running to protect yourself should never lead to being beaten. The problem is far to many US citizens seem to feel heavy handed police action for a simple thing like failing to comply is worthy of physical assault or even being shot, that is of course until its them on the receiving end of it then its an outrage.
The inability to sue individual police officers should be removed and any damages shouldn't be paid by the tax payer but by the police union so all the police have to pay it. You'd soon see such behaviour change when it hits them all in the pocket and violent officers would be driven out from within. They should also raise the wages of the police so as to attract intelligent people and not just thugs who like to throw their weight around. It would still be far cheaper as the tax payers wouldn't have to cough up as the police wouldn't be getting sued all the time.
Meanwhile...in the real world...
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I'd just like to point out:
A bear that absolute wants to attack you is NOT going to stop, EVER. Until you are dead. You can not reason with it. And it has no obligation to stop or any need to answer to any other authority afterwards.
US Police that is aggressive and brutal and just itching to break someone IS however going to stop at some point, else they would be in the situation of the 5 now; Arrested themselves. They will need to answer at some point.
So the two examples you've provided do not equate and the advice to not to "resist arrest" is still valid given the circumstances. (US Police, known aggresive, trigger happy, bad idea to give them reason to escalate things further).
And as for what is classed as "resisting arrest", that's not down to you or me. But the US Police at the time (and doing a runner is seeing as resisting arrest). Again, all they need is justification to go further with the force they can use. And if you give them that justification, then that outcome (whatever it is) is really on you doing the scarpering.
I know it sounds heartless here, but that's not what I'm aiming for, only the logical processing of the situation and why the "do not resist arrest" remains a good idea even when being attacked here if you are in the US. Because the alternative is almost guaranteed a "worse" outcome.
I wouldn’t say this situation was by design, at least not the multiple conflicting instructions being shouted at him. I think at that point they were barely in control of themselves and were descending, frighteningly rapidly, into a baying blood thirsty mob rather than a group of police officers.
I wonder how any of us would respond in such a situation. Imagine being faced with an armed mob, being shouted multiple different orders, all while being physically restrained and assaulted which made complying with any orders even more difficult.
Would I run if the chance presented itself, or would I just try and do my best to comply and hope and pray they calmed down enough to not maybe beat me to death…..no idea, though I’d hope I had the presence of mind to at least do something…..reality, I’d probably pee myself and start crying. Wonder what outcome that would have prompted from them. Not a situation I’d ever hope to be in.
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