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My god do you ever shut up about wrongspeak lol. Every time someone disagrees with you or says your views are crap you pull it out lol
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My god do you ever shut up about wrongspeak lol. Every time someone disagrees with you or says your views are crap you pull it out lol
I don't think thats quite the slam dunk you might imagine in proving your point. Thats a little akin to saying that formula one isn't a dangerous sport because very few drivers die these days. Well, yes, thats true but its true because they take every precaution they possibly can to minimise risk.
US cops are very twitchy and trigger happy which I would suggest contributes massively to the safety in the job. If they were far more relaxed about their job and didn't treat certain people with a healthy level of fear then that number would probably shoot up.
Danger isn't a simple idea, its multi-faceted and whether statistics say the job isn't that dangerous, dealing with armed criminals on a daily basis probably makes them think that statistics don't back up their experience and the only reason more police don't die every year is because they are so fearful.
There are clear lines they shouldn't cross but I wouldn't want to be a police officer in many areas of the US.
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No, that’s not it - the point I’m making is that people are more likely to take liberties against disadvantaged people, whether that’s disadvantaged through physical attributes or, for example, because of how they are treated by the justice system and/or the perception that people are not going to listen to their ‘irrelevant’ voice.
Poor people and minorities that face prejudice get steamrollered in the US.
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Wow, I think you totally missed my point (re-read the second line). Damn, do you really think I'm defending the police? I'm the last person on here who would do that. I know how awful they are....and lazy.
Question, if you went on holiday to America and the police shouted at you to lay on the ground, would you lay on the ground or stand there arguing?
Of course the police are in the wrong, nobody is saying otherwise, but when you know what the police are like, why take the chance? There is only going to be one outcome.
If I stuck my finger in a lions cage and had it biten off, I'd be calling myself an idiot.
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Obviously the take away is police once again abusing their power. George Floyd died from an officer kneeling on him for over 9 minutes, long after he had stopped breathing. There was a trial and a jury found those facts to the be true. Maybe you missed it.
It's not like I want to , I wish there weren't instances where I could logically use it, but here we are. I only use it when someone speaks in a way in which they are prescribing their purported "correct" way of thinking without entering in to actual debate. The fact that I can "pull it out" often is testament to the frequency of the offending behaviour.
Yeah bro courts are 10000000% correct at all times amirite? I'm sure you'll join me in celebrating the rulings of the trials of OJ Simpson, Trump and Kyle Rittenhouse.
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I see we are hearing the "if only he hadn't resisted" excuses again. Maybe he didn't trust those cops (he couldn't have been more correct not to), maybe he didn't feel they had reason to detain him. The idea that citizens should just submit to the police regardless of the circumstances is bewildering. No one should want or accept living in such a society.
I'm specifically referring to gunshots and officers killed in action, not the 450 officers killed by Covid19 in 2021, or natural causes. Thanks though.
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It's not an excuse. Nobody should live in a society like that, and the entire police culture needs to change....but when you know how bad they are, why resist? He's paid with his life! It's just not worth the risk. Like you say, you shouldn't have to submit to the police, but if you don't, you die. I'd rather be alive than a martyr. Fight the battle another day.
If you are ever stopped by the police you should totally try that one, just ignore them and carry on with your day...please.
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Even if there was history between these cops, their department and Nichols, the footage I've just seen on BBC doesn't justify the beating and death.
Seems so surreal that it all goes on while their body camera films the whole incident and not one cop appears to question how the arrest is playing out.
Seems so surreal that it all goes on while their body camera films the whole incident and not one cop appears to question how the arrest is playing out.
An outcome is caused by a chain of events. Often breaking just a single link in that chain can change the outcome.
It could be that not acting in that manner against the officers would have been enough to keep him alive.
Might not have made a difference.
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Criminals in uniform. What an utter disgrace and hope they face the full extent of the law.
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Because people react differently when faced with a fight or flight situation. Maybe he saw how the police were behaving towards him and his reaction was to want to get away as he feared how he was going to be treated and the footage has shown he was right to fear them. His actions aren't why he is dead, their actions are why he is dead. The problem here is the police, sadly there seems to be no intention to actually do anything about it. The police are far too protected, they are public servants and should be held to a higher standard and when they abuse their authority they should pay a higher price for that abuse.
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So we just ignore outcomes of court cases now if we don't agree with that outcome?
Trump hasn't been on trial, yet. Rittenhouse under the laws of that state was innocent. Now you might not agree with their laws but that is irrelevant. OJ Simpson was as much about the times it happened in. Also the prosecution did a terrible job.
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I will try and find one, but basically the police asked him to lay down at least five times. He didn't, he was half laid down asking questions. They then asked again saying if he didn't he would get tasered, at which point he jumped up and started running (massive mistake).
Now, you could say none of that (leading up to the taser point) was resisting. My take on it, is that America loves guns. They adore them, second amendment this, second amendment that. Fine, but the consequence is that you don't know who's carrying and who isn't. The police are on edge as anyone could have a gun. This means that whilst you might not be resisting, you need to following instructions to the letter, so when they say lay down, you bloody well lay down. Hell, this isn't even up for debate.....just look at all the hundreds of videos over the past 40+ years.
What happened next, the beating was totally out of order and I would hope they all end up in jail. There is no excuse for what the police did, and I am not trying to defend them in anyway shape or form. What I'm saying, is that the police are so bad, you have to follow instructions if you don't want to end up dead.
What we hope/want American society to be like isn't the reality. Until the public have confidence in the police (which will never happen because they love guns) this will happen time and time again.
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So victim blaming. The outcome is from a group of officers that felt like they could do as they pleased and could beat a man to death because they felt he either didn't respect them or just because he ****** them off.
Until there is a seismic change in how they police this will continue to happen.
No I agree with the Trump/Rittenhouse verdicts, my point is that many who use the ruling of the court in the George Floyd case don't respect other court rulings.