Tyre Nichols murder

Absolutely zero excuse for what these ex Coppers have done (and hangers on) but there is something we need to keep in mind about America.
I bet there isn't one of those Cops who hasn't seen a colleague murdered or seriously maimed in the course of their duty so that's why they are always hyper.
Our Cops will never know that fear of going to a shout.
 
a couple of examples of US cops interfering with fire/ambulance service , doesn't condemn them

The narrative that he DID comply - he was sufficiently free/strong (& later broke free anyway) , to turn his upper torso to say he was on the ground, so, had free use of his hands, which still posed a risk;
failed procedure ? - the position of the left police car to his car left restricted space to get him out of the car, too.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I bet there isn't one of those Cops who hasn't seen a colleague murdered or seriously maimed in the course of their duty so that's why they are always hyper.
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There are situations where comments like this could be applicable, but in this case they're just BS excuses.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I bet there isn't one of those Cops who hasn't seen a colleague murdered or seriously maimed in the course of their duty so that's why they are always hyper.
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Irrelevant. They attend a police academy, they undergo training that revolves around diffusing conflict situations. If they can't handle their personal emotions then they should not be given a badge and weapon, it's as simple as that, and training and regular examinations would confirm this for the department and weed out those who are not capable.

The actual truth is most of these US cops have been covered for far too long by their departments. the bar for entry is low as it is, and the sociopaths that enjoy power are the ones that get through. They don't care about diffusing a situation, they care about covering each others backs and doing whatever they please and looking for reasons to harm someone.

How many cop related incidents have there been in the last year alone now? My mental tally stopped a long time ago...
 
www.theguardian.com

Florida officers charged with battery after allegedly beating homeless man

Two officers allegedly handcuffed Jose Ortega Gutierrez and took him to an ‘isolated’ location where they beat him unconscious
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Two Florida police officers are facing armed kidnapping and battery charges for allegedly assaulting a homeless man after handcuffing him without reason, and taking him to an “isolated” location where they beat him unconscious.

Florida prosecutors say that on 17 December, officers Rafael Otano and Lorenzo Orfila of Hialeah city in Miami-Dade county handcuffed 50-year-old Jose Ortega Gutierrez, a homeless man who was known in the area. Surveillance cameras in the area around did not show any behavior by Gutierrez that would warrant an arrest.

The officers then drove him to a “dark” and “isolated” spot six miles away, blasting their emergency lights on the way. They allegedly threw Gutierrez on the ground and beat him. He later woke up without cuffs, bleeding from his head.

He was eventually able to find help through an off-duty police officer who was walking his dog and called 911 for him.

Orfila reportedly called one of the responding officers to ask about Gutierrez’s condition and asked him to write up the 911 call as “no report”.

The incident soon led to an internal investigation.
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SexyGreyFox said:
Like I posted, "absolute zero excuse".
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No, no, you said "but...".

Twice I've seen you post the same. So many here appear to be like "harsh, but he should have expected it", like the good little followers they are :rolleyes:

These same attitudes of mass complacency helped enable our governments to turn our countries to crap.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Absolutely zero excuse for what these ex Coppers have done (and hangers on) but there is something we need to keep in mind about America.
I bet there isn't one of those Cops who hasn't seen a colleague murdered or seriously maimed in the course of their duty so that's why they are always hyper.
Our Cops will never know that fear of going to a shout.
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Give it a decade or two and they probably will.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I bet there isn't one of those Cops who hasn't seen a colleague murdered or seriously maimed in the course of their duty so that's why they are always hyper.
Our Cops will never know that fear of going to a shout.
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The stats I could find don't back that up. in 2022 60 deaths nation wide caused by gun fire from over 800k sworn officers. I'm sure they all know of officers that have been shot at though or injured in the line of duty by a suspect.
 
The training should be a minimum of 12 months for officers anywhere in the world who are carrying a firearm without prior experience.

In America at least, the position gets treat like it's a none to semi-skilled job, when in fact you have to have a whole host of different skills to be competent as a cop.
 
Kutter said:
They cut police academy training in Georgia from 6 months to 3 months. Then send them out to enforce laws which they don't know and give them guns and qualified immunity.

What could possibly go wrong.
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I watched a movie about the Police Academy, it looked like a right hoot! :D

In other news:

 
Ayahuasca said:
The training should be a minimum of 12 months for officers anywhere in the world who are carrying a firearm without prior experience.

In America at least, the position gets treat like it's a none to semi-skilled job, when in fact you have to have a whole host of different skills to be competent as a cop.
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Should put them through a mechanics course. That way they'd know to do something other than just kick the Tyres.
 
Ayahuasca said:
The training should be a minimum of 12 months for officers anywhere in the world who are carrying a firearm without prior experience.

In America at least, the position gets treat like it's a none to semi-skilled job, when in fact you have to have a whole host of different skills to be competent as a cop.
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The Met‘s selection and training programme for armed airport police (SO18) was the best part of a year when an old mate of mine went through it. All candidates were already police officers with at least 2-3 years experience post graduating from Hendon.
 
Ayahuasca said:
The training should be a minimum of 12 months for officers anywhere in the world who are carrying a firearm without prior experience.

In America at least, the position gets treat like it's a none to semi-skilled job, when in fact you have to have a whole host of different skills to be competent as a cop.
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Something I've seen mentioned a lot by some Americans is how to become something like a hairdresser or similar in many states in the US requires you to undergo far more, and rigorous training with much better oversight and independent assessment of your abilities before you can legally do it.

Mind you apparently a lot of their lower level elected judges in some states don't even have the level of legal training/understanding our Magistrates have*, and don't have a clerk of the court that they have to listen to, hence part of the reason you get things like 6 year olds getting sent to juvenile detention for not stopping fights at primary schools (that seriously happened, a judge made up the law and decided that a primary school child had a higher responsibility to the public than state courts have decided the police have, and IIRC justified it as the child had "failed to be a good citizen").


*I'm not mocking our Magistrates as they take the job seriously, undergo a lot of training, have to follow the law (hence the clerk), and do it all for free.
 
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