Tyre Nichols murder

The video looks more like a gangland beating than 5 officers trying to arrest someone. None of them appeared to be trained to handle a guy half their size, in fact you could argue none of them appeared to be trained at all, and a couple of them repeatedly pepper sprayed their colleagues which no doubt fuelled their anger, anger which they took out on the guy.

Hope they enjoy life in prison with criminals they probably put away themselves.
 
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So your saying this a racist attack?

Are you saying attacks from the police don't happen to other genders/ages/accents?

I asked the question first, answer that and I will answer yours. It's a simple question.

Read carefully what I asked. I specifically said "same treatment", meaning, would they kick to death someone else, say an 18year blonde or a 79year man.

No 1 kick, but kicked to death.

I am not asking, has it happened before, but would you think they would. I ask asking what you think, not what else happened.
 
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I asked the question first, answer that and I will answer yours. It's a simple question.

Read carefully what I asked. I specifically said "same treatment", meaning, would they kick to death someone else, say an 18year blonde or a 79year man.

No 1 kick, but kicked to death.

How the hell am I meant to answer for the thoughts of other men?
 
When your hands are handcuffed behind your back and you have the living **** beat out of you and pepper sprayed. Funnily enough, the human body will try anything to get away from the situation.
I should have been more clear, I was following on from what I said earlier. I meant early on in the encounter by his car he seemed to be resisting. When they caught up to to him the second time you are correct.
 
I am asking YOUR thoughts, you can answer for yourself right? You can form your own opinion right?

I can tell you what actions I would've took, I can't tell you what 5 men would've done if the person was swapped by another person (assuming the other person acted, done the same crime etc etc but just looked differently).
 
I can tell you what actions I would've took, I can't tell you what 5 men would've done if the person was swapped by another person (assuming the other person acted, done the same crime etc etc but just looked differently).

Okay, then what if it's you in that situation of those officers? Would you have beat the crap out of an 18yr old girl or a 79yr old man?
 
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A US cop would rather shoot someone for running off from a car stop than allow them to run and find them in the future.
 
Shocking example of the problems with police attitude they have over there. Absolutely no restraint, or an attempt to achieve a non violent outcome. Acting more like a poorly disciplined occupying army. Been a problem for a while, but seems like they're incapable of doing anything about it.

I imagine a lot of people in the area will be glad about the ethnicity of the officers though, as it will hopefully put a bit of a dampener on any unrest, which many people seem a bit worried about.
 
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@Begbie - @Raymond Lin is making a point along the same lines that I was making.

There are two aspects of this:

- was the attack directly racially motivated?: and
- could prejudices in society in relation to the victim’s race have indirectly effected how he was treated by law enforcement?

If the answer to the first question is ‘no’, it doesn’t mean the answer to the second question is necessary also ‘no’.
 
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The race thing is obvious BS in this case, that hasn't stopped the grifters still trying to make it about "racism" though, if this happened to be white officers then I suspect there would be a repeat of the George Floyd/BLM riots...

It seems pretty clear that the immediate reason for the beating is probably that he caused them to chase him and they got mad about that, the wider issue is that they felt they were able to deliver that sort of "street justice" and get away with it in the first place (which perhaps they would have if they hadn't gone quite as far).

In some neighborhoods of the US the police are basically in a warzone and seem to be given a lot of leeway in how they police, there's been plenty of stuff written about and TV shows based on, for example, policing in Baltimore. That sort of policing wouldn't go down well in suburbia but in an area infested with gangs then it perhaps does and is common. That isn't necessarily a racist thing though, the area might happen to have a higher portion of black people (as lots of high-crime areas do) but the rough policing will apply to Latino and white residents too, especially young males of a certain socioeconomic class of any race.

It's common and recognisable enough that it can be the source of a skit for example: "If you see flashing police lights in your mirror stop immediately. Everybody knows if the police have to come and get you they're bringing an ass-kicking with them"


Also in general police in the USA are a bit more authoritarian... in an rough area they might be prone to dishing out a beating if someone makes them run but in a nicer city centre area, not in the 'hood they're still going to get upset if someone makes them have to pursue in some way or is non-compliant.

This academic ignored a police officer and hadn't realised he'd committed an offence by "jaywalking" (crossing the road not at an official crossing) and ended up having his legs kicked from under him. Basically cause them additional fuss or act in a non-compliant way and they're quite quick to get violent in the US:


A British historian claims that he was knocked to the ground by a policeman before being arrested and spending eight hours in jail because he inadvertently committed the offence of "jaywalking" in Atlanta, Georgia, last week and failed to realise that a man who told him to stop was a police officer.

Professor Felipe Fernández-Armesto, said he had been the victim of "terrible violence" by Officer Kevin Leonpacher and four burly colleagues. "I'm a mass of contusions."


When the 56-year-old professor of global environmental history at Queen Mary, University of London, who is also a member of Oxford University's modern history faculty, appeared in court the next day, prosecutors dropped the charges. An internal police inquiry is now under way.

He said he had been crossing the road between two hotels when Mr Leonpacher shouted at him to stop. Because the officer was wearing a bomber jacket that covered his uniform, the professor told the History News Network, he did not realise he was a policeman. When the officer, 28, tried to stop him and demanded to see identification, Prof Fernández-Armesto asked to see his ID, which he "didn't take kindly to".

"This young man kicked my legs from under me, pinned me to the ground, handcuffed me. Naturally I was bridling, and he called his colleagues. I had five burly policemen pinioning me to the ground." Mr Leonpacher, however, said the historian repeatedly refused to cooperate, despite being asked five times to stop. "He pulled away and began to wrestle me".
 
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And an 18 year old.

You do know that doesn't make it better.

You side stepped the racist card but walked into a murder one.

The other point is the person is handcuffed, and you do not, cannot, over the course of several minutes beat and kick someone who is now incapacitated to death.

I am in the mindset that had the victim been like a 17year old blonde, or someone famous, say Tom Cruise, they would not beat the crap out of Tom Cruise.

But good to know that you would, I guess?
 
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There is a lot of US police/law enforcement training material that is written/produced by unqualified people and is basically "see granny over there in a wheelchair, she'd got a knife" and "see the 5 year old with his action man, he's going to shank you" level*, and it's a major problem, same with a lot of nonsense science US police use in courts where one person with a pet theory convinced a few juries, then went on to train other officers and if they are questioned about the "science" they pull out the person who trained them (IIRC blood spatter is utterly tainted by this because so many of the "expert witnesses" regurgitate the stuff from one officer who had no scientific qualifications and reinforce each other)

Whilst I am aware of this occurring, this incident was far from a "shoot first, ask questions later" type situation. It appears to be an animalistic beating where inhumane behaviour took control, the prolonged nature lending towards enjoyment or at least being unhinged, with the mob mentality ensuring severe results. Unstable bullies with authority and inflated arrogance.
 
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