U.F.O'S

Some may find this interesting - http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/NPCC/tabid/302/Default.aspx

This guy was is a physician who is interested in UFO's. He's gathered military, CIA, FBI, Army & Navy personnel who are willing to testify under oath in front of the congress about their stories of ufo sighting & radar confirmation.

Very interesting indeed

Personally I think its unfair to bring age into it because I know people older than me that believe in this nonsense and some of them are very clever people.
 
So...alien people with incomprehensible technology cross interstellar space to fly around Earth. They use their amazing scanning technology to detect when someone with a very poor quality camera is nearby and decloak so that the person can get some blurry pictures of...something. Or, being generous, maybe the alien technology somehow makes the ship look blurry.

They've been doing this for 60 years for no apparent reason.

Although the "alien adolescents having a laugh with the primitives" explanation does sort of make sense.
 
The fact is that top level credible people are saying they exist - top level astronauts, CIA agents, Navy Admirals/Commanders, MIT PHD researchers, Stanford Research Institute (SRI) members, high level attorneys one of whom served as general counsel to New York Times and general counsel in the Watergate trial and legal adviser to President Carter.

Not just a bunch of rednecks sat on their porch chewing straw in their dungarees thinking they've seen flying saucers
 
Finished watching it a while ago, found it quite interesting, thanks.

Know any others worth watching? :)

Watching this one now. Quite interesting :-

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/mhorn1.htm

An interview with Michael Horn about the Billy Mier case.

Michael Horn is the authorised American media representative for the Billy Meier Contacts and has researched the case for over 25 years. He is a lecturer, writer and frequent guest on radio and TV.
Michael confesses to be a skeptic with a high powered sense of logic and reason, so to represent Billy is an unnatural alliance in some senses. You can tell from this interview that he is an intelligent and erudite speaker and not prone to a single delusion. Unless we consider the possibility that we are not alone in the Universe, we will not be able to suspend disbelief long enough to let the information make a difference to the way we think, feel and respond to the world around us. Just by asking "What if....?" could make all the difference in our understanding and future response to world events.

As you read and research the prophecies, which are all on Michael's site, please consider the possibility that the extraterrestrials and Meier are attempting to offer us assistance in solving the very serious problems we face. A sample of one of the more scientifically proven prophecies is from 1978 which is corroborated in 1979 and as late as 1998;

Corroborated: March 5, 1979, NASA's Voyager 1 probe discovered the rings of Jupiter, that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system and that Europa is covered in ice—five months after Meier published this information.

Corroborated: September 15, 1998, Cornell University scientists confirmed particulate composition of rings from Jupiter's moons (first theorised by astronomers on August 2, 1995). Meier's information is 20 years ahead of Cornell's. (While scientists believe that the source of the particulate matter is explosions caused by meteorite strikes on the moons' surfaces, Meier's information seems more accurate, i.e., matter being explosively propelled from volcanoes at speeds up to 2,300 km/hour to heights of 180 km is more likely the true source of most particulate-forming rings.)
 
Last edited:
Clever, maybe, but they're obviously not making full use of their logic and reasoning skills
What about the instances that defy logic/understanding. Are you forgetting about them or just simply ignoring them? Or were you just simply referring to the "so called photos....." that have been taken ? You might like to posit that a lot of it is secrete tech but in a lot of the circumstances that would be akin to arguing that the world is being held up in space by a huge elephant and that elephant by another. You talk of reasoning and logic and yet many of the instances of so called sightings defy our understanding of phsyical "laws" which are assumed to be faultless or virtually impossible to be shown incorrect etc. Rather stupidly many of the explanations given for the more "concrete" sightings have been more bizzare than the descriptions of the sightings themselves. Where then is the use of the logic and reasoning here? In other words what is there to trust about the explanations that will make them so reasonably convincing and make us think we were so stupid for believing something out of the mundane in the first place?

Battle of LA (1942) Explanation given: Balloon despite the fact the army hated the explanation because it made them look stupid because they were unable to shoot it down.
Roswell: Flying Saucer: later retracted to balloon-later retracted to balloon containing dummies etc.
Rendlesham Forrest: Lighthouse explanation given despite the fact there were numerous witnesses who described a peculiar shape all alight dripping molten metal with extraterrestrials hovering around them. Not to mention one of the witnesses was deputy commander of the nuclear base etc.
Recent Mexican sighting which included an aircraft full of sensitive electronic spying equipment: explanation the equipment and the airmen were confused by oil-rigs. Well if they were likely to get confused by oil rigs what were they doing patrolling the area looking for drug smugglers?
Recent encounter by police helicopter over Bristol Channal: MOD response investigating but We/I don't think it is very wise for the police to go chasing UFOs
In all fairness apart from the above slippage, the MOD generally give the blanket term of no defence significance- which either implies that they know the craft not to be hostile-or that they are lying.
 
Last edited:
ethan: I can not explain those things as I was not there and was not responsible for investigating them. Unfortunately this means that you are in no better position to explain, and if your first response is "alien spacecraft", but you don't admit that's a leap in logic, then you're hopeless IMO.
 
All I am saying is that you cannot prove, particularly with the cases that I have given is that they are not true-and this goes a lot more to giving them some kind of validity than some of the explanations given to try and disprove them. At least in this respect the reasoning is consistent and so what's so hopeless about that?

I can not explain those things as I was not there and was not responsible for investigating them.
You can still look at the evidence that is available and tbh if you can't be bothered to do even that-well that would be hopeless then wouldn't it :)
 
Last edited:
You can still look at the evidence that is available.
I used to waste valuable playing time as a kid "looking at evidence" of UFOs and I came to the conclusion that I wasn't thinking logically and that I was looking at 'evidence' that's so naff to begin with that it could be anything. I think I covered this in-detail in a previous post.

When you jump to conclusions and your 'investigation' is based on wishful thinking...

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
 
Sorry but in the examples I gave-there wasn't any wishful thinking only the evidence. I dare say that in many or most of the other situations there probably is a lot of wishful thinking.
 
Last edited:
If you're interested in rosswell, have you seen 'Taken' by steven speilberg? The attention to detail in that story is great. The first few episodes that cover the 1947 crash are great. I'd bet that is very close to the truth. :p
 
I dare say that in many or most of the other situations there probably is a lot of wishful thinking.
UFO fanatics and conspiracy theorists are driven by wishful thinking, nice try.

I love how you don't address my point about jumping to conclusion too, l2occam'srazor.
 
Last edited:
The fact is that top level credible people are saying they exist - top level astronauts, CIA agents, Navy Admirals/Commanders, MIT PHD researchers, Stanford Research Institute (SRI) members, high level attorneys one of whom served as general counsel to New York Times and general counsel in the Watergate trial and legal adviser to President Carter.

Not just a bunch of rednecks sat on their porch chewing straw in their dungarees thinking they've seen flying saucers

Means nothing.
I can come up with a more impressive list of people who believe in God.
My boss is a really clever woman and someone I'm quite envious of.
She has 2 degrees and has just got her Masters after writing a book on Healthcare.
The other day she was telling me theres a spaceship in Cheops Pyramid.
Being clever doesn't mean you're not away with the fairies.
 
There's been a mass of UFO sightings recently in the UK particularly Wales.

This is in coventry :-

ECC842B5-B0FB-BFB2-48DFD8A2D6A93719.jpg


Also the vid below is from coventry though I don't think it's Extra Terrestial, but an ultra advanced earth built UFO using free energy and some form of levitation as opposed to linear propulsion :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suZVOl1GrSo


Here's some pics of the UFO's that have been spotted in Wales :-

TH1_15w2p08fufo.jpg


southportufo.jpg

Sometimes i agree with the things you post Magick, but UFO's at the moment are complete crap.

You post images of grainy and blurry images of UFO's and 1 picture looks like a upside down tombola hat? Come back when you have something that is clear. Considering the technology we have to take photos with now, im pretty sure Mr Smith with his 3 kids has a mobile phone with a camera around 3 mega pixels, more then enough to capture a clear image of these flying toff hats.
 
Means nothing.
I can come up with a more impressive list of people who believe in God.
My boss is a really clever woman and someone I'm quite envious of.
She has 2 degrees and has just got her Masters after writing a book on Healthcare.
The other day she was telling me theres a spaceship in Cheops Pyramid.
Being clever doesn't mean you're not away with the fairies.

I see you point but someone with 2 Masters who wrote a book on healthcare believing there's a spaceship in a pyramid isn't really in the same league as a Navy Admiral and his staff actually seeing stuff with their own eyes and monitoring on state-of-the-art equipment then later being told by CIA to keep quiet about and willing to testify to congress.

The thing is, there's 10's of 1000's of reports every year all over the world and if just 1 turns out to be true then it's such a significant, amazing thing that surely it would warrant more attention and serious high level investigation ... unless it already is and they aren't telling us
 
Means nothing.
I can come up with a more impressive list of people who believe in God.
My boss is a really clever woman and someone I'm quite envious of.
She has 2 degrees and has just got her Masters after writing a book on Healthcare.
The other day she was telling me theres a spaceship in Cheops Pyramid.
Being clever doesn't mean you're not away with the fairies.


but there is ;)
 
Navy Admiral and his staff actually seeing stuff with their own eyes

And once again they also probably believe in God too.

I wouldn't mind but the 1000s of sightings are all different.
This means that theres 100s of different alien races visiting us and every one of them is playing with us.
At least 1 of them would land on the White House lawn or Buckingham Palace but I'm afraid they come here to take the Mick out of us.
They also fire rays so that all pictures are blurred or you couldn't take one.
 
UFO fanatics and conspiracy theorists are driven by wishful thinking, nice try.

I love how you don't address my point about jumping to conclusion too, l2occam'srazor.

No doubt but when something strange happens that's what you should expect from many people, however if theres enough credible witnesses and/or evidence then surely we can come to a few conclusions, a) that something strange DID happen, b) that it was strange enough that intelligent and reputable people were willing to put their own reputation on the line to tell us, c) that adding the minority of credible to the statistically reasonable percent of the majority, the phenomena must exist.

Then there's really only one important question, are the craft manmade or not?

So you can see how the jump can be made considering the strangeness of the phenomena and our current known technological progress, so whatever you personally believe both the credible and statistical would suggest the phenomena does exist, the rest is speculation.

Check out the nasa footage if you haven't already, its probably the best video evidence we have, there's many objects over quite a few missions, you see speed and direction changes, some even appear/disappear, debris can't account for many of the objects when they do those things and im sure it simply wouldn't be safe to put the shuttle up with that much flying around so close, also these are clearly objects in space so optical effects don't work either, what's left is questionable but real.
 
Back
Top Bottom