UEFA Champions League 6/7 December *** Spoilers ***

Or commas it would seem. My point? You're criticising the best manager in the world but can't construct a legible sentence. Makes you look like a silly Billy.
 
simulatorman said:
Last night’s program cover looked good with Petr Cech wearing his super hero mask:

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you know what they say about cech right....

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Gustov said:
Or commas it would seem. My point? You're criticising the best manager in the world but can't construct a legible sentence. Makes you look like a silly Billy.
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Hmm not as silly as insinuating that he is the best in the world. he couldn't manage his way out of a 1-1 draw against newcastle the other week. or in the league cup. or how to beat basle from a 3-1 half time score.

he might be one of the greatest in terms of overall achievement but the last few years, shudder, not fantastic.
 
what so you think that fergie is THE best manager in football right now?

ill admit that it does take a certain kind of genius to win anything with a team that includes wes brown irnv john oshea. however if i was the manager i wouldnt try to win things with such sub par players i would have replaced them.long since.
 
for you see i posted this last week - to which no one replied. i thought that there might, perhaps, be too many commas, full stops and capital statements.

The Running Man said:
Really bad, i think the guy from the guardian is saying what im trying to say:



Though Ferguson may not have been expecting defeat he surely knows by now that United have no automatic right to success, especially with a team of reserves. When his best team went a goal down to Benfica within three minutes in the recent Champions League game, Ferguson said he was not expecting that either. It was an own goal, you see, and the manager's argument was that you just don't expect that sort of bad luck to befall you so early in an important game.

In the circumstances United did well to recover and take the lead. Fair enough, though they only managed to hold that lead for a couple more minutes. And while Phil Jones may have been unfortunate to put through his own goal there was nothing unlucky or freakish about the way Benfica sliced through United with their first attack of the game, advancing directly through midfield and finding a way straight into the penalty area despite the presence of both Darren Fletcher and Michael Carrick as a supposed defensive shield in front of the back four. Ferguson did not say whether he was surprised by that. Not many regular spectators seemed to be. "What do you expect?" was a common reaction in discussions afterwards.

While it is refreshing to hear Ferguson hold his hands up and admit he got it wrong, there are several points arising from that apology that should not be overlooked in the general reaction of surprise. Firstly, what counts as a real Manchester United performance these days? Ferguson's team went into the Carling Cup quarter-final on the back of two other games at Old Trafford, both of which ended in disappointing draws after the home side had taken the lead. United's record in the last half-dozen home games, in fact, consists of just one league win, by a single goal against Sunderland, and a Champions League victory against the Group C whipping boys Otelul Galati. Those other four results in full? United 1 City 6, United 2 Benfica 2, United 1 Newcastle 1, and United 1 Crystal Palace 2 (aet).

You will note that some of those underwhelming scorelines were achieved by United's first-choice team, the one that features Wayne Rooney, Nemanja Vidic, Javier Hernández and others, so what did Ferguson really expect when he sent out Federico Macheda, Darron Gibson, Mame Biram Diouf et al against a pumped-up outfit looking for a giantkilling result? He evidently did not expect such a flat, lifeless performance, yet looking at the rows of empty seats in the Old Trafford stands on Wednesday night, it was clear that considerable numbers of supporters had read the script in advance. There are all sorts of financial complications to United's unloved and iniquitous ticketing arrangements for cup matches, so it cannot be automatically assumed that fans have started to vote with their feet, they are far more likely to have voted with their pockets instead. Nevertheless, it no longer seems to be true that Carling Cup games are occasions for the priced-out, disenfranchised United supporter to get a look in.

The present United are not so scintillating that fans will fork out over the odds instead of watching them on the telly. Kenny Dalglish warned Liverpool supporters to think carefully before committing themselves to the expense of a trip to Chelsea to watch a weakened team, a strategy that may have lulled the London side into a false sense of security because Liverpool ended up winning. Ferguson used to be the master of that sort of reverse psychology, but it is doubtful whether he has the strength in reserve at the moment to pull it off. Liverpool did not play like a weakened team at Chelsea, partly because in the end Dalglish only made four changes and partly because Craig Bellamy is exactly the sort of player you would choose to come into such a situation. Who was Ferguson hoping would bring all his experience to bear to help the kids out against Palace? Jonny Evans? Dimitar Berbatov? On current form even United's strongest side would struggle against opponents as hard-working and enthusiastic as Palace, so when Ferguson makes wholesale changes people know not to anticipate fireworks.


A lack of fireworks indeed.?
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I figured that if i simply dumbed it down a little maybe someone who is staunchly for fergie and the way we have been playing..!?
 
Is he the best manager in the world? How do you judge it? If it's by achievements then of course he is simply because he's been managing a top club for so long. It's difficult to say who the best manager in the world is right now, sure it's easily Fergie if you look over 5-10 years but what about 2-3 years?
 
Arguably guardiola is THE better manager over 5-10 years and 2-3 years despite being a manager for only 3 years...

3 la ligas
1 copa del ray
3 supercopas
2 champions leagues
2 eufa super cup
1 world club cup.

Disregarding the total number of leagues won, guardiola has achieved more in 4 years than fergie has in 10.
 
I think that Fergie is the best manager ever, as much as i truly hate him.

To win what he has with the quality of players like O'Shea he has his testament to how good he is, he has "hardly" spent any money when you compare it to other managers who have won no where near the same.

Managers like Mourinho have had to spend hundreds of millions to get trophies , Guardiola is imo a top manager and has again spent money but when your handed a squad like that it is not very hard.

Then you have managers like Capello etc who have won loads but again they have been at top clubs, spending money and being handed world class teams.

SAF was handed nothing near the quality that other managers have been yet he has still won loads of trophies.
 
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Guardiola is not the best manager of anything. Hes manager of FC Barcelona, put me in charge of them and i'd win the treble no problem.

Man Utd would have won it atleast once more in the last 2/3 years if it wasnt for Messi & co.
 
The Running Man said:
Disregarding the total number of leagues won, guardiola has achieved more in 4 years than fergie has in 10.
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Well yes, but he's also had pretty much the best team in the world handed to him. How many times has Fergie rebuilt a team? Guardiola couldn't be the greatest until he'd built a team, not had it given to him.
 
Billythekid said:
Guardiola is not the best manager of anything. Hes manager of FC Barcelona, put me in charge of them and i'd win the treble no problem.

Man Utd would have won it atleast once more in the last 2/3 years if it wasnt for Messi & co.
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Riiightmmmmm...so despite barca beating united thoroughly in champions leagues finals you think fergie is the better manager? Fergie has had more time, experience and spending money than josep but loses to him twice nearly getting put to the sword and tough think fergie is the better manager. Classic. before Josep they had only won one cl in 15 years...

They have been a big but not necessarily successful club for the past decade or two until josep took them to the next level.
 
Shamikebab said:
Well yes, but he's also had pretty much the best team in the world handed to him. How many times has Fergie rebuilt a team? Guardiola couldn't be the greatest until he'd built a team, not had it given to him.
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The job of a manager is to get the best out of his team. guardiola might have inherited a team made a few additions and is where he is today. Fergie has had 25 years and literally every player, every staff there is at the club through fergie choice and doing. that he has spent poorly and mismanaged players can only be his fault - and no one else's.

As I've said before that magical 25 years works both ways. bizkid i agree its tremendous to win the cl with brown oshea Evans etc but its only because of fergie that those players play for us at all. if i choose to buy a skoda knowing im entering an f1 race who's fault is it when i lose the race?
 
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It could equally be said that fergie is rubbish because our academy produces such bad players and has done for the past 15 years.

People are talking about barca style of play that they have revolutionized football. utd still play the same as ever, direct counter attacking often long ball football..its not evolution its devolution if anything.
 
The Running Man said:
Riiightmmmmm...so despite barca beating united thoroughly in champions leagues finals you think fergie is the better manager? Fergie has had more time, experience and spending money than josep but loses to him twice nearly getting put to the sword and tough think fergie is the better manager. Classic. before Josep they had only won one cl in 15 years...
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:o

It hurts it really hurts

One manager has inherited the best team in the world, the fact that another manager can't lead a set of players clearly not as good as the opposition to victory therefore means he's not as good? Seriously do you really need everything spelling out for you?

Lets look at it another way Real Madrid Barca's only challengers in their two league team couldn't get the better of Barcelona in the 4 biggest meetings between the two last season does that mean Mourinho's not as good as Guardiola either then?

Guardiola inherited a team that had the foundations laid by Rijkaard previously, it was during Rijkaard's tenure that Barca won their first Champions League & their first La Liga for 5 years and what has Rijkaard done since leaving Barcelona?

Guardiola inherited a team that had the worlds best player, two of the worlds best midfielders and not to mention at that moment in time one of the worlds best strikers (Eto'o) to even suggest that Guardiola has achieved more in his tenure than Fergie has in the last 10 years is beyond stupid.

Has Guardiola built 4 or 5 different teams whilst keeping Barcelona at the top?
Has Guardiola seen off multiple different challenges from a varying different styles of opponents in his two team league?

I find it humorous that you chose to list Barca's trophy haul during Guardiola's reign as well, have you taken a look at Fergie's during that time?

2 Premier Leagues
2 Carling Cups
3 Charity Shields
1 Fifa World Club Cup

So he has 4 less trophies and given two of those that he didn't win was against Guardiola's inherited better side and 2 we couldn't compete in because they're only eligible for teams that have won the Champions League you're right Guardiola's haul in these 3 years is by far vastly better isn't it :o

There is no one best manager in the world and even if there is why should that be a negative for every other team in the world that doesn't have him in charge of their side? Where's this written rule that at all times Man Utd must have unequivocally the best manager in the world, the best players in every position in the world, win every game they play, win every competition they're involved in?

Fergie could win nothing this season, Guardiola could win everything and that still wouldn't make him the better manager
 
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