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Didnt question the referee's integrity unlike Fergie.

Sorry.

Well he questioned his courage, pretty much the same thing. Saying he didn't have the courage to give Chelsea a penalty.

I'm sure nothing will be done about the Chelsea players hounding ther ref at the end either, didn't one of them push him?
 
I'm sure nothing will be done about the Chelsea players hounding ther ref at the end either, didn't one of them push him?

I am (very slightly) surprised that UEFA havent done anything about this - should come down on Chelsea like a ton of bricks .......but they obviously arent going to
 
Well he questioned his courage, pretty much the same thing. Saying he didn't have the courage to give Chelsea a penalty.

Hardly, if you actually read the quote, which I very much doubt you have, he never actually directs it at the ref, it's a general statement.

"It's not easy to give the penalty in the last minute," - No mention of the specific referee. Nothing wrong there.

"You need to have personality, courage and character. Not always do referees have these kind of skills." - Again no mention of the specific referee.

Here's what Fergie said on MUTV about the match with Chelsea a few weeks back:

"“You want a fair referee, or a strong referee anyway – and we didn’t get that." Questions the ACTUAL referee's integrity.

Carlo treads very carefully, but never does he question the referee's integrity and bias so blatantly like Fergie did. Even though we know who Carlo is talking about you can't put his quotes in the same bracket as Fergie.

End of story.

I'm sure nothing will be done about the Chelsea players hounding ther ref at the end either, didn't one of them push him?

Those who live in glass houses and all that.

Man Utd are no where near being Saints when it comes to surrounding the ref.
 
I'd be surprised if anything did come of it, afaik nothing came of the incident with Wenger and the ref who were in the tunnel swearing and shouting in each others faces.
 
"You need to have personality, courage and character. Not always do referees have these kind of skills." - Again no mention of the specific referee.

Its directly implied about the match being discussed - surely its just semantics compared to what Fergie said imo

"“You want a fair referee, or a strong referee anyway – and we didn’t get that." Questions the ACTUAL referee's integrity. .

Personally alway thought "or a strong referee anyway" implies SAF tried to correct himself, and its the "strong referee" part that he is referring to in regards to while saying "and we didnt get that" - which is pretty evident looking at what happened anyway lol

Those who live in glass houses and all that.

Man Utd are no where near being Saints when it comes to surrounding the ref.

While Utd have been guilty of it in the past - its pretty non-existant now (While the Liverpool game looks bad, majority of Utd players are surrounding Nani on the ground , rather than the ref - usuaully its only Giggs / Vidic who approaches the ref
 
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Its directly implied about the match being discussed - surely its just semantics compared to what Fergie said imo

Like I said we all know who Carlo is referring to, but he never actually implies it was this actual referee unlike Fergie.

For example, it's like when we all know someone is guilty of something but we can't say it in case of libel.

Personally alway thought "or a strong referee anyway" implies SAF tried to correct himself, and its the "strong referee" part that he is referring to in regards to while saying "and we didnt get that" - which is pretty evident looking at what happened anyway lol

Either way you can't DIRECTLY say the referee is not fair and get away with it.
 
so "which we didnt get" is the root of the ban?

Seems to be what your saying anyway - which is beyond stupid as every losing manager says much the same thing week in week out imo
 
Like I said we all know who Carlo is referring to, but he never actually implies it was this actual referee unlike Fergie.

For example, it's like when we all know someone is guilty of something but we can't say it in case of libel.

Either way you can't DIRECTLY say the referee is not fair and get away with it.

If SAF gets banned for it then so should Ancelotti, both did very much the same thing.

There is no ambiguity in what he said. You can make some very targeted statements about something without stepping into the territory of libel in some areas but referring to the referee of a football match is not one of them.

"You need to have personality, courage and character. Not always do referees have these kind of skills." - Again no mention of the specific referee.

You will have to explain who else he was talking about here, or could be talking about. There is only one referee on the pitch. You make a comment like that and there is no doubt at all who you are targeting. The fact that he goes round the houses is irrelevant, he is targeting the ref for that game.

He is questioning the integrity of the referee rather than his ability. Effectively saying that the referee ignored the penalty on purpose (cheated).

I don't think he should be banned but to decide that what he said wasn't just as bad is ridiculous.
 
You can argue all you like but Carlo won't get a ban for the reasons I've highlighted.

Had Fergie said the exact same thing as Carlo (i.e. generalising) in last months match he too would not have got a ban.

Don't blame me for the rules of UEFA, the FA etc.

Fact of life I'm afraid.
 
You can argue all you like but Carlo won't get a ban for the reasons I've highlighted.

Had Fergie said the exact same things in last months match he too would not have got a ban.

Don't blame me for the rules of UEFA, the FA etc.

Fact of life I'm afraid.

Of course he would have got a ban. They are 2 different footballing bodies which is where the difference lies.

From what you are saying, ancelotti could have come out and said "You have to have referees that don't cheat and ignore blatant penalties. Not always do referees have this."

He didn't specifically mention the matches ref so its all ok.
 
Of course he would have got a ban. They are 2 different footballing bodies which is where the difference lies.

From what you are saying, ancelotti could have come out and said "You have to have referees that don't cheat and ignore blatant penalties. Not always do referees have this."

He didn't specifically mention the matches ref so its all ok.

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He didn't say any of that, so it makes no difference, I'm purely referring to what Carlo actually said and what he said will not result in a ban.

Really not that hard to understand fez.

If you feel aggrieved about the ban Fergie got, don't let it cloud you judgement on Carlo's quotes because they are no where near the same.
 
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has claimed referee Lee Mason is now under extreme pressure following Wayne Rooney's ban for swearing.

Mason was in charge for Manchester United's 4-2 win away to West Ham in which a Rooney hat-trick overhauled a two-goal deficit.

Rooney swore aggressively at a TV camera upon celebrating his third goal, leading to a two-game ban for abusive language from the Football Association.

The England striker lost an appeal to have the punishment reduced, but boss Ferguson believes his squad can use the saga as a 'plus'.

"If he doesn't send a player off for swearing the question will be, has he got double standards?"
Sir Alex Ferguson
Ferguson also switched the attention to Mason, who he believes is now under immense pressure to consistently punish players for foul and abusive language.

"It will bring us together. It is a plus for us. But the one I feel sorry for is Lee Mason. He has put himself in a terrible position," said the Scot.

"He has been put under pressure. There is no doubt about that. It is hard to imagine the referee would send a player off for scoring a hat-trick.

"But he has now put himself in the spotlight. If he doesn't send a player off for swearing the question will be, has he got double standards?

"It is a very difficult position the lad is in. I feel for him. I really do. I don't know where his career is going to go now.

"I think he was put under pressure."

Swipe

Meanwhile, Ferguson hit back at claims from Police Superintendent Mark Payne, who used his online policing blog to condemn Rooney's actions.

Payne, responsible for managing responses to crime and operations in Wolverhampton, wrote: "If Rooney had behaved like that in Wolverhampton on Saturday night, I would have expected my officers to lock him up.

"People in positions of influence have an obligation to behave like human beings. It is not a lot to ask."

Ferguson, though, laughed off the swipe, accusing Payne drawing intentionally attention to himself.

"Everyone has an opinion today," he said. "There is an issue in the modern world of a need to be noticed.

"There is a wee guy, sitting down there in the Midlands, probably never been recognised in his life, managed to elevate himself to whatever it is in the police force.

"Have you ever seen Wolverhampton on a Saturday night? Do police ever arrest anyone for swearing on a Saturday night? Dearie me. That is a good one."

Following Rooney's appeal, Ferguson admits he was not surprised to see the FA uphold their stance on the matter.

"We put an appeal in," he said. "The lad has apologised for swearing but I don't think we expected to get a result."



Never mess with Fergie, he knows more about Wolverhamptons nightlife than the Police chief :D
 
Pathetic from Ferguson, Lee Mason didn't send Rooney off before so why would he do it again? It's actually staggering that Ferguson can't grasp that he was banned for swearing aggressively directly at millions of viewers at home, not just for swearing. If anybody went on live TV at 1 in the afternoon and told all the viewers to '**** off' then they'd be in masses of trouble. How is this hard for Man Utd/their fans?
 
You guys must be joking :(? He's either completely missed the point due to being obtuse or stupid, not excellent? Lee Mason didn't send Rooney off, what is Ferguson even ranting about :s?
 
You guys must be joking :(? He's either completely missed the point due to being obtuse or stupid, not excellent? Lee Mason didn't send Rooney off, what is Ferguson even ranting about :s?

Do you think he's stupid?

Or do you think he is deflecting it all back on to the FA's doorstep by insinuating that they have now made the referee's jobs more difficult?

Master stroke by Fergie again, 'stupid obtuse' Fergie has just managed to mind **** Jakeke on a forum LoL :D
 
Do you think he's stupid?

Or do you think he is deflecting it all back on to the FA's doorstep by insinuating that they have now made the referee's jobs more difficult?

Master stroke by Fergie again, 'stupid obtuse' Fergie has just managed to mind **** Jakeke on a forum LoL :D

I said obtuse or stupid, I'd assume he's being deliberately obtuse, which isn't anything to be proud of ..

We all know that this doesn't affect the ref's job at all, a) the ref didn't punish Rooney b) if somebody tells the viewing public to '**** off' again it'll be exactly the same punishment, the thing is, it'll never happen again as nobody is like Rooney. If this was something that happened regularly then it may put second thoughts in the FA's mind but it has nothing to do with refs? and it's never happened before and will never happen again so it changes nothing
 
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