A little bit unfair on him to blame the goal on him tbh, he's certainly been good for liverpool, and like i said in the previous post, he's been one of the most creative players in Europe, in a team where we've lacked a bit width, i'd of thought he would have been ideal to give us that.
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A little bit unfair on him to blame the goal on him tbh, he's certainly been good for liverpool, and like i said in the previous post, he's been one of the most creative players in Europe, in a team where we've lacked a bit width, i'd of thought he would have been ideal to give us that.
5th most assists in the league last season (more than any other player in the squad) would suggest there's logic in saying he'll add something to our attack, certainly more logic that trying to blame him for Russia equalising. Anybody that says that needs their head testing.
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so he passed the ball to a few people who then did all the work and scored. It's a useless stat without watching every ball they class as an assist.
Ozil created 150 chances last season, only 18 assists. Higuain used to score 20+ a season at RM yet the big stat book doesn't take note of the 5 chances he fluffed a game. Giroud went like 12 games without scoring which is all that was spoken about but nothing about his build up play. Stats aren't everything.
When it comes down to it, Milner wouldn't improve the side in any way. He's a utility man and that's all.
When it comes down to it, Milner wouldn't improve the side in any way. He's a utility man and that's all.
Yea, Milner just got lucky. Over the entirity of last season he just played 2 yard passes on the half way like and his teammate ran half the length of the pitch and scored 11 times
What you're saying you could say that about every single stat - player x may have only scored from 2 yards out after player y done all the work setting him up. And so on.
As it happens, I did watch every minute of every Liverpool game from last season so can say that, like it or not, Milner makes things happen. You can't expect everybody else to have watched every minute of every game though and assists and key pass stats over prolonged periods are the best way to determine creativity. Sure there will be the odd 2 yard pass, 40 yards from goal that registers as an assist/key pass but Milner had the most assists and key passes per 90 minutes than any English player last season. This wasn't a fluke.
Actually the big stats book would take note of the chances missed - they record conversion rates etc too. As above, Milner both created more chances per 90mins than any other English player and directly assisted more goals than any other English player. There's far more logic to saying he would add something to the teams creativity than your sweeping, unsupported statement that he wouldn't.
If we were playing everyone on stats, Drinkwater, Albrighton & Simpson all got +1 PL medal in their Wikipedia honours stats. Should they have all been in the team instead?
I feel there are better players suited to the position he plays but it's not all down to ability. Milner probably suits the way Liverpool play whereas England play totally differently and Milner isn't really a player that can adapt to that.
I feel there are better players suited to the position he plays but it's not all down to ability. Milner probably suits the way Liverpool play whereas England play totally differently and Milner isn't really a player that can adapt to that.
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Utility man, to be able to do that you have to have a certain level of football intelligence, not every player can play several positions. I can understand people thinking Milner is a bit underwhelming because he doesn't do extravagant stuff. He plays it simple, but more often than not, his play makes things happen, and he's a complete unit as well. Such an underrated player by the masses
Based on me saying Milner wouldn't improve the team? Look, you're obviously a Milner fan.
If you're so pro-Milner in the England squad, please tell me who you would replace & in what formation?
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Not knocking Milner, if I followed club football I wouldn't be disappointed if he played for my team . But most assists is still a useless stat. Two teams score 10 goals 1 gets 5 crosses from the left and 5 from the right, from 2 seperate players
The other team gets 10 crosses from the right from 1 player
It doesn't make the one player any better than the other two.
The other team gets 10 crosses from the right from 1 player
It doesn't make the one player any better than the other two.
Based on your trying to blame him for Russia equalising. And I wouldn't say I'm a particularly big Milner fan but if somebody makes a silly comment, imo, I'd at least like to see them back it up.
You say Milner probably suits Liverpool's style of play ('probably' suggests you're just guessing) and England play completely differently, although acknowledge Milner's versatility by calling him a utility player. Milner played pretty much every possible different midfield and attacking midfield role for Liverpool last season, Klopp even put him at fullback at times (from the start and mid game) and he always created things.
He's not a David Silva or an Ozil that's easy on the eye and often his general play can be frustrating but as above, like it or not, he's shown that he creates chances whether he played as a wide player, central midfielder in a 2 or a 3.
edit: as for your edit. I'm not ****ed about it to be honest. International football was dying before him but Hodgson well and truly killed it for me. It's just boring when there's no club football on.
Obviously stats aren't perfect and if you look at small samples they can be misleading and you're right, if a team has particular way of playing or a particular player that attacks go through they'll have more opportunity to create. I'm looking at stats over the entire season and Liverpool most certainly didn't play entirely through Milner.
Well it does, it would say the player that got 10 assists is the standout player in that team.
I honestly can't remember him doing much, if any thing wrong but if truth be told, I can't say I've watched any of the games with a huge amount of interest.
Going by logic, should Ronaldo be dropped?
I'm just going by your logic bro