Poll: UEFA Euro 2020 Final Italy v England ** spoilers ** [Sunday 11th July 2021]
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sorry but having less than 35% possession over 120 minutes with only 2 shots on target is not doing rather well or holding your own, not unless you are Bournmouth playing against Man City and need to grind out a draw to stay in the premier league on the last match of the season.
but strongest squad means and counts for nothing
belgium arguably have the best squad in the world but cant do jack at world and european level
third at the WC?? LOL you follow football closely then yes? we came 4th being spanked by Belgium 2-0 in the runner up match.
results do not mean southgate is a good manager. He got lucky and it is despite him we came 2nd. With better tactics we'd have come 1st in the Euros, and have got to at least the final in 2018 WC. Both the 2018 semi and last night were almost a repeat of each other. Nick an early goal, defend well for 45 minutes, go AWOL in 2nd half as they grow in confidence, limp to ET and lose at the last minute, while not making enough subs soon enough.
Even if we had won last night I'd still be saying the same thing. He does not know how to adapt his team play during a game other than "more defence". He probably plays C&C and spends the whole game building walls, minefields and pillboxes, then wonders why he never wins.
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I'd like to see Howe given a chance. Transfer record was a bit suspect in his last few years, which would become irrelevant, but he tried to play football and did wonders for Bournemouth.
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If we would have had faced Italy in the last 16 we would have been out in the last 16 like Belgium. Where you finish in a world cup/euro comp is irrelevant if you do not win it.
I can only go off what I was watching in the England team. I don't follow the Premier league much these days. But he comes across as being inexperienced at international level. This might change over time as he is only 19.
I'm not having a go at Saka. I'm having a go at Southgate for piling the pressure of expectation on him. Why pick him as a penelty taker when he's not having a good match. Southgate set 3 of the penelty takers up for failure. Saka wasn't having a good game. Rashfood and Sancho hadn't touched the ball, and it was raining. Now we're hearing Grealish wanted to take a penelty. How many others might have wanted to? We'll never know because Southgate didnt bother asking them.
Mourhino, then you can see how to properly park the bus and defend a 1-0 lead. At least you know what you are getting. Or maybe Wenger, then we can have discussions along the lines of did you see that ludicrous display last night, what was Wenger thinking bringing Rashford on so early, the problem with England is they always try and walk it into the net.......................
He's been MOTM 3 times in 6 international starts. He was our best player against the Czechs and made the first goal against Germany. He was poor last night coming on in a tricky situation but to generalise that against his past performances is wrong
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We are all still hurting from last night, but what you are saying is just speculation and assumption.
We are making progress, more than any other manager since Sir Alf. That is undisputed fact.
yes i do and was thinking of the third place in nations league
so as i say
4th in world cup
3rd in nations league
2nd in euros
progress all the way and footbal IS a results business no matter whether it was luck, easy route its about results
the fact is southgate is one of the best managers england have had and england is making progress whether you like his “questionable” subs and judgements or not
no you said third at world cup - I quoted your post. It's there in blue and white.
Actually there's a lot of luck in knockout format tournaments.
If it were a league then luck plays less of a role, but can still separate two otherwise equal teams. But knockout format is more than a little luck, I'm afraid.
E.g. having to play Swiss instead of France - quite lucky. Getting in the half that doesn't have Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Portugal - quite lucky.
People seeing "semi-final in the WC, final in the Euros - that's progression" are ultimately deceiving themselves. It's not progression at all.
Moving from 10th in the leauge to 5th is meaningful progression. You can't read very much at all into knockout format competitions.
If we get beat in the first knockout round of the WC - to Italy - does that mean we went backwards? No, of course not. We might have done, but we might have actually improved! You just can't tell from knockout format.
Bit arrogant of you to expect us to reach the final
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Im not saying Southgate out but he needs to actually learn the lessons from this defeat because that's two on the bounce. He got it all wrong against Croatia and he got it all wrong last night, learn from it and move on that's all we can do.
Exactly, you can't do much about anything when you can't get sight of the ball.
Sounds like something I'd say but I was half cooked last night so can't remember if I posted it or not
If it was me, my sober self would agree with my half cooked self! He wasn't good.
so it's not "as you said".and??
And the fact is Southgate is mediocre at best. He has no answer when games go against his initial plan. Scotland 0-0 with only 2 subs played is another example. And that's only because their strikers were woeful and giving Morata a run for his money in the competition for the turd-stained wooden boot for the most inexcusable misses.
Again this comes down to having a sub standard coach.
A good coach makes all the difference, just look at where Italy were before Mancini took over.
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