Caporegime
Now if only someone could shut Micah up and let him talk
UEFA Euro 2024 Final Spain v England ** spoilers ** [Sunday 14th July 2024]
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Soldato
So this is pretty much Harry Kane highlights for the whole of the tournament, hopefully gets the boot along with Southgate.
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Caporegime
Ah Southgate, trying to play the better football after going 1-0 down game after game.
Best team won in the end.
Best team won in the end.
Caporegime
So much hate for Kane, and he was bad. But I don't think we are using him properly. The way England play under Southgate does not suit him.
He needs to be surrounded by fast players who make forward runs. He scored the most goals in Europe last year, in any league, and champs league, for bayern.
He played alongside several forwards with blistering pace. England have no players that run in behind, so Kane is mostly ineffective.
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So surely that’s Kane’s last tournament as a guaranteed starter? I’d hope the new manager is brave enough to drop him. We look much better with Watkins up top.
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Its felt like a long tournament; the 5-1 drubbing to Germany feels like longer than 4 weeks ago!
Caporegime
Sake, Bellingham, Foden all do that. The only thing we're missing is a left sided wide player really but we'd have to drop someone.
Caporegime
Really? They mostly all drop deep to collect the ball primarily, as shown in this euros. Saka is the fastest, but he only runs in behind once or twice per game, Foden, again prefers the ball into feet and turns and runs at defenders. Bellingham is slow as hell so is far from ideal to run beyond Kane. Bellingham is good at late runs into the box on the end of cutbacks and crosses.
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Caporegime
Foden's shot off the line against Netherlands came from a run in behind for example. Obviously we're not doing it much because Southgate is quite pragmatic but it's not a personnel problem. Kane's problems are bigger than just that though. His pressing and movement is really poor to non-existent.
Caporegime
Can't disagree with the latter. He sat out the last few weeks of the season with Bayern due to injury. Prior to that he was on track to break Lewandowski's record for most goals ever in a German season (41). Bayern play to his strengths, the opposite of England and Southgate pass backwards/sideways ball/defend the penalty box.
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Soldato
I can honestly see GS staying on (didn't the FA ask him to extend earlier in the year, to the world cup?).
I don't think he should but where does England realistically go from Southgate?
I don't think he should but where does England realistically go from Southgate?
Caporegime
I think Southgate will walk, I think he was going to walk whatever happened this tournament. He's been there for a long time and he looks pretty done with it.
Caporegime
He's had his time, he's won nothing. And whilst technically, he's been the best we've had, we will never win anything with his style of football. It simply does not work against any team that presses high and restricts your space.
As shown by both Spain today (a top team) and Italy (a poor team) three years ago in the last Euro's final.
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Soldato
I was sort of hoping Southgate had played a blinder and made Spain believe they were playing a slow, dull, negative team and they were going to switch it on in this game. I was wrong.
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Caporegime
I had three years ago originally in my post but edited it lol, I'll change it back as I was right first time!
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Soldato
Boot out one of the best strikers in Europe after a few bad games in a system that doesn’t suit him, don’t be ridiculous. Who ever is the next England manager Kane is in the squad.
Soldato
Southgate's people management is great. But his decision making and game management is abysmal. He's loyal to players to a fault and his substitutions are generally way too late and always reactionary. He's had ridiculously lucky draws 3 tournaments in a row. Aside from Germany in Euro 2020, whenever we've played a decent team we've lost. His record against the top teams is terrible. I'd go so far as to say most top managers would have won at least one trophy with the same circumstances.
Kane doesn't suit the system, but Southgate insists on playing him. Either the system needs to be changed, or Kane needs to be dropped.
Southgate's record is entirely undeserved. A combination of lucky draws and loads of games against Estonia, Lithuania etc. Parallels with Kane's England goalscoring record!
As long as he's replaced with a progressive and positive manager, I'd drop Southgate in a heartbeat. Id have dropped him after Euro 2020 to be honest! Nothing has changed since then. He's made the same mistakes in consecutive finals and he's unwilling or unable to learn and adapt.
Kane doesn't suit the system, but Southgate insists on playing him. Either the system needs to be changed, or Kane needs to be dropped.
Southgate's record is entirely undeserved. A combination of lucky draws and loads of games against Estonia, Lithuania etc. Parallels with Kane's England goalscoring record!
As long as he's replaced with a progressive and positive manager, I'd drop Southgate in a heartbeat. Id have dropped him after Euro 2020 to be honest! Nothing has changed since then. He's made the same mistakes in consecutive finals and he's unwilling or unable to learn and adapt.