UKIP move up to third in polls....

[bhavv]

That is what it amounts to.

The Internet can, and already does supplement school.....if you give a child too much freedom to choose, they might learn more, but it won't be what they should be learning.

Can you seriously imagine the average 12-14 year old learning alegbra, grammar, statistics, biology, chemistry, physics, or who Marie Curie was, on their own recognisance?

What they will be learning is how to photoshop boobs onto the next door neighbour, how to complete skyrim and downloading music and watching dodgy horror and porn.......

Yeah, another great idea from Permabanned.....

I was reading medical journals and hardcore astronomy text books when I was 12 (had a few provided by my parents), and the very first thing I started using the internet for at age 14 was to learn everything I possibly could about computers which wasn't taught at school.

If I had access to decent sources, or knew about using the internet to learn and better understand my maths and science calculations, I would have done that too. I would have also taught myself how to produce music and do, or simply understand basic programming skills if I knew where to look to learn these skills. I also fully educated myself with no help from anyone else on how to play the piano, but beyond what I read and learned myself about computers and music, I had zero access to being able to learn how to produce music and write programming code.

Several friends I made while studying a minor in music had fully self educated themselves about music production, one of them had started learning from the age of 12 similarly to me, but his parents had actually bought him a second hand music production mac computer at that age, and as a result he was DJing and earning bucket loads of cash since he was 16 years old, entirely through his own desire and motivation.

Don't underestimate what teenagers can and will achieve if given 100% full access to what they enjoy and want to do with their lives from their early teens, they will educate themselves far better, and excel in their personal talents and interests entirely through their own free will and curiousity to learn as long as they are supported and provided with the means to accomplish that.

Our education system is pathetic in that it does not recognise or value individual kids talents and interests, and does not provide the means for a teenager to get a decent education on what they might be best at. Every kid is simply bombarded with the same level of maths, science, English, humanities, and little else, and simply expected to score higher on their tests than their peers. Higher test results = more chance of succeeding, rather that giving a child with any technical talents the means to realize and develop what they are individually good at.

Our school system is a joke and easily replaceable with better standards such as Finlands education system.

 

[Nitefly]

I've never come across any subject where the whole class found one thing boring.

This is clearly a lie - I refuse to believe you have never studied physics or chemistry.

 

[spudbynight]

You said that the internet could basically replace formal schooling, allowing kids to choose their own path through education with only minimal input from school.

We have explained why that is a bad idea.

Seriously? You think that kids learning from Ancient Aliens is a bad thing?

 

[ColdAsIce]

UkIpper here.

The only problem round our way is the only councillor worth voting for is Tory. He's a great bloke and EVERY Saturday can be seen doing "walkabout" round the estate. Just last week I was washing the car and he came by me with all sorts of carp in his hand proclaiming (quite literally) ...

"Look at all this ****, This isn't British people doing this. I shouldn't say it but it's the ****** Eastern Europeans doing it, they have no respect for the area and don't give a damn".

I couldn't agree more !!

And NO the councillor isn't your typically whitey, He's of Asian descent !

He asked me if I'd gotten the latest tory bumph through my door to which I replied I had but said "Honestly mate, I aint a Tory voter but I do vote for you in the locals because you are the only one I've ever seen doing walkabouts and getting your hands dirty".

Perhaps he's prime "Party switching" material ?

Please fully star all swearing in future. Thank you.

What stuff were the Eastern Europeans apparently doing?

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

What stuff were the Eastern Europeans apparently doing?

Making Outcast's car dirty and leaving fish everywhere.

 

[LLBDTiberio]

Will never vote UKIP, I actually quite like the EU and what they've done for the UK. Maybe I'm just biased cause I went to an actual European School, interacted with people from across the world on a daily basis, have lived in 4 different countries so far and speak 5 different languages. A lot of posters in this thread need to get out more and see the world before they start posting about how scary non-british folk are .
Most people who call themselves British on here would fail the citizenship test given to immigrants anyway .

 

[PermaBanned]

This is clearly a lie - I refuse to believe you have never studied physics or chemistry.

I'm taking them at AS

 

[The Halk]

Maybe I'm just biased cause I went to an actual European School, interacted with people from across the world on a daily basis, have lived in 4 different countries so far and speak 5 different languages. A lot of posters in this thread need to get out more and see the world before they start posting about how scary non-british folk are .

I don't like the sneering attitude of the pro-EU people who believe that anyone who is against the EU is a petty racist.

I'm certainly not. However I feel the EU is undemocratic at it's very core, not just in intent but in practice. They've done things which are absolutely unforgivable and their attitude is that they're right, so the means justify the ends.

I appreciate that you have your opinion, which I'm sure you've reasoned yourself into, and I'm certain that the reasons you have for your position are right and valid. However my opinion is different because I think in the balance we would be better outside of the EU. I do not like the pro-EU attitude that anyone else is an petty idiot.

 

[PermaBanned]

They've done things which are absolutely unforgivable and their attitude is that they're right.

Same goes for all modern politics.

 

[Nitefly]

I'm taking them at AS

Sweet Jesus, bad times

 

[The Halk]

Same goes for all modern politics.

Not to the same extent as the EU has opposed democracy - and regardless of that it's not enough of a reason to accept the status quo.

 

[Tute]

Same goes for all modern politics.

We can't quit having a parliament though.

 

[PermaBanned]

We can't quit having a parliament though.

Well...

What do you seek to gain from leaving the EU?

 

[Nitefly]

Might as well actually post something contributing to the thread:

The problem with the EU is that the only thing that you hear about it from the news regards 'hot topic' issues, mainly human rights and immigration, but now also very broad economic issues. In reality, that is a fraction of a percent of what the EU does. It is there to encourage and regulate trade, law and competition for the benefit of Europe as a whole, which it does with little critcism - but nobody cares about that. It's not a newsworthy issue.

Rather than any overhaul or removal from the EU, it appears to me that some aspects could be streamlined. Of course, any organisation that tries to run the entirity of a continent is going to be incredibly bureaucratic as a result.

 

[Tute]

- Saving money
- A return to the ability to fully govern ourselves
- Less out-of-touch pen pushers making decisions

I 100% support the maintaining of the EEA mind, leaving the EU for me would not be about destroying trade.

The problem with the EU is that the only thing that you hear about it from the news regards 'hot topic' issues, mainly human rights and immigration, but now also very broad economic issues. In reality, that is a fraction of a percent of what the EU does. It is there to encourage and regulate trade, law and competition for the benefit of Europe as a whole, which it does with little critcism - but nobody cares about that. It's not a newsworthy issue.

Are these not things we could do domestically?

 

[PermaBanned]

Sweet Jesus, bad times

Chemistry is brilliant when you realize that it's basically real-world potions class

 

[bhavv]

Chemistry is brilliant when you realize that it's basically real-world potions class

I like the potions part, I hate the maths part.

 

[The Halk]

Might as well actually post something contributing to the thread:

The problem with the EU is that the only thing that you hear about it from the news regards 'hot topic' issues, mainly human rights and immigration, but now also very broad economic issues. In reality, that is a fraction of a percent of what the EU does. It is there to encourage and regulate trade, law and competition for the benefit of Europe as a whole, which it does with little critcism - but nobody cares about that. It's not a newsworthy issue.

Rather than any overhaul or removal from the EU, it appears to me that some aspects could be streamlined. Of course, any organisation that tries to run the entirity of a continent is going to be incredibly bureaucratic as a result.

The EU was always sold in the UK as a trade thing, and it's in the past few years the mask has slipped. It's a full political union and we can either do it or don't do it.

The closer we tie ourselves with the protectionist EU the further we drift from the rest of the world. The rest of the world is a more important trading partner than the EU is (the EU is signficant). Importantly the EU sells more to us than we sell to them, so we wouldn't simply lose access to those markets.

The EU is the next level up for compromised politicians. Serving ministers have the option of selling out to corporations and lobbies, or selling out to the EU. Either way they get a nice little earner after they've finished being a minister (e.g. see Labour's ministers).

The EU is a good and a bad thing, in balance I think we're better off out... not least of all because of the withering of democracy.

 

[Judgeneo]

Will never vote UKIP, I actually quite like the EU and what they've done for the UK. Maybe I'm just biased cause I went to an actual European School, interacted with people from across the world on a daily basis, have lived in 4 different countries so far and speak 5 different languages. A lot of posters in this thread need to get out more and see the world before they start posting about how scary non-british folk are .
Most people who call themselves British on here would fail the citizenship test given to immigrants anyway .

While I've only lived in england, and speak very little of any foreign launguage, I've done a fair amount of european travelling (Spain, France, Greece, Germany, Croatia, Belgium, Holland), a mixture of holidays and hitch-hiking. I've also seen a number of more foreign countries, and intend to travel a lot more in the future. I attend a university with over 25% international students, have lived with many, and call a number of them my friends.
I certainly don't find non-British people scary, in fact a large amount of them seem to be more friendly than our native population.


While i'm certainly appreciative of what freedom of travel has allowed me to do, it not necessary to have an organisation such as the EU for this to happen, travel to many European countries was hardly restrictive before its formation.


I vote UKIP because I see it as a chronic overspend in money, non-democratic, and an organisation that detracts from our own sovereignty.

 

[Scotty123]

The EU and Europe are not the same things.

I love Europe (especially the French and Germans ). I would certainly not want each country in the EU to lose its identity or its sovereignty and democracy taken from it.