Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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As was declared in numerous times due to constant crimes committed by fascist Ukrainian aviation all territory of Donetsk and Luganks Peoples Repulbics are declared by local government as no-fly zone. Looks like this Boeing was see as military Ukrainan An-26 and thus was downed.
Condolences to relatives of all passengers. But everyone should know, that violent crimes against humanity committed by Ukrainian government give full right to declare territory of Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples Republics as no fly zone.
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guy on R4 said

too high (30k feet) for normal MANPAD
Rebels shot down a ukraine transport plane (An-26) that was also high (22k feet) last week and were pro Russian separatists where claiming the victory

Ukraine were tracking it on normal civie air traffic control so would know what it was and where it came from (so unlikely to have shot it down)
 
Yep, to expand on that a little -

A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000m (9.7 miles) would have required a long- range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar.

That suggests it is unlikely it could have been downed by a portable air defence missile, or Manpad, which has a much shorter range.

The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles.

The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.
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Probably going to get flamed for this, but IMO it's the airlines fault plain and simple.

They sent a commercial flight over a war zone, a war zone where the controlling rebels had long since declared a no fly zone, and where the controlling rebels are known to have SAM systems capable of downing high altitude aircraft (and wouldn't be able to distinguish between commercial/military flight's at that altitude).


silversurfer said:
Russia have form on this, they shot down a passenger plane in the cold war that had strayed over the border and it resembled a US spy plane.
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You're missing out the fact that was actually justified, it was a terrible loss of life but the fault was not Russia's.

And also the fact that in the same week a US destroyer downed an Iranian airliner because they mistakenly thought it was a F-14, that it was diving when it was actually climbing and that they themselves were in international waters when in fact they were actually in Iranian waters attacking the Iranian navy.
 
The flight plan does boggle the mind its like they purposefully picked out the most dangerous route possible I guess its the shortest way over the curvature of the earth all in the name of saving a little on fuel, etc. costs.
 
Rroff said:
The flight plan does boggle the mind its like they purposefully picked out the most dangerous route possible I guess its the shortest way over the curvature of the earth all in the name of saving a little on fuel, etc. costs.
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You'd guess that small cost saving is gonna pale into insignificance at the amount of money this is going to cost Malaysian air now. Losing 2 passenger planes in less than a year must be almost fatal to their reputation regardless of any compensation they receive from the country guilty of this offence.

RIP to all on board, terrible waste of live :(
 
Rroff said:
The flight plan does boggle the mind its like they purposefully picked out the most dangerous route possible I guess its the shortest way over the curvature of the earth all in the name of saving a little on fuel, etc. costs.
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British Airways for example have not been flying any planes in Ukrainian airspace apart from their flight to Kiev.

Sky News named some other airlines that are routinely flying over Ukraine on the way to elsewhere.

Cost saving methinks.
 
seems separatists were claiming they had shot down a plane earlier..and have since removed the claim

probably because its since been found out it was a civilian plane!
 
ubersonic said:
Probably going to get flamed for this, but IMO it's the airlines fault plain and simple.

They sent a commercial flight over a war zone, a war zone where the controlling rebels had long since declared a no fly zone, and where the controlling rebels are known to have SAM systems capable of downing high altitude aircraft (and wouldn't be able to distinguish between commercial/military flight's at that altitude).




You're missing out the fact that was actually justified, it was a terrible loss of life but the fault was not Russia's.

And also the fact that in the same week a US destroyer downed an Iranian airliner because they mistakenly thought it was a F-14, that it was diving when it was actually climbing and that they themselves were in international waters when in fact they were actually in Iranian waters attacking the Iranian navy.
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The Ukranian military did shoot down a Russian TU154M in 2001 and it was supposedly down to an errant S200 missile.

Personally I think its time the UN got involved and sent in peacekeepers.
 
Woden said:
Russia will Veto that idea.
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Why? It would be a positive for them and the rebels as long as they were impartial.

FTM said:
seems separatists were claiming they had shot down a plane earlier..and have since removed the claim

probably because its since been found out it was a civilian plane!
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It almost certainly was them and was a tragic accident. Even the supposed voice intercepts released by Ukraine suggest the rebels shot down what they thought was a military plane and were shocked when they found out it was civilian. They appeared surprised a civilian plane would be flying over a war zone...

Tragic accident, that's it.
 
Where are the Putin lovers now? In fact, where are Putin's balls? It's obvious now that the rebels did it and that the Russian intelligence knew about it as soon as it happened. So why did he not go on television yesterday to offer the world the truth, like a true man would? Could it be because he has balls when he invades defenceless bankrupt countries but he misplaces them when **** hits the fan?

He's pathetic little man, a coward posing as a strong leader.
 
Zethor said:
Where are the Putin lovers now? In fact, where are Putin's balls? It's obvious now that the rebels did it and that the Russian intelligence knew about it as soon as it happened. So why did he not go on television yesterday to offer the world the truth, like a true man would? Could it be because he has balls when he invades defenceless bankrupt countries but he misplaces them when **** hits the fan?

He's pathetic little man, a coward posing as a strong leader.
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I think they're just deciding which conspiracy is canon before unleashing the Nashi bots.
 
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