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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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The Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said:
“We’re targeting those complicit in Putin’s illegal invasion of Ukraine and those who support this barbaric war. We will not let up the pressure and will continue to tighten the screw on the Russian economy through sanctions.”
Source: https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1502246888443109377
Putin: Belarus Has Restored the Power Supply to the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant.
~pretty sure this was reported earlier aswell
*Swiss Government Says Recommends Swiss Citizens Temporarily Leave Russia Unless Their Presence Is Urgently Required
*Russia’s Putin Says There Are Certain Positive Shifts in Talks with Ukraine
Full Quote: “There Are Certain Positive Shifts, Negotiators on Our Side Tell Me.” No Further Details Provided by Putin Before He Meets With Lukashenko.
http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67963
Ukraine Defence Intelligence:
'Putin is preparing a terrorist attack on the Chernobyl nuclear power plant
A man-made catastrophe is planed at the CNPP controlled by Russian forces, for which the occupiers will try to shift responsibility to Ukraine'
https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1502249873248243716
*BlackRock records $17bn in losses on Russian securities - FT
https://www.ft.com/content/e7967c06-77f3-45f6-9bf5-f141f899dba5
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Soldato
One of my technology buys in the 1970's was a Russian brand short/med/long waveband radio set. Portable but weighed a ton, efficient but with 1950's juke box styling. I expect it came in on the back of a fishing boat as a grey import. I did keep it for a number of years though as it was reliable unlike a Lada.
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Somewhat encouraging signs of cracks in the Russian propaganda machine at home:
"Russian state television goes off message by broadcasting criticism of war. Normally a loyal source of pro-Kremlin propaganda, Russia 1 broadcasts guests describing the invasion as like ‘Afghanistan, but even worse’."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...en-worse-ukraine-war-denounced-russian-state/
The full article is behind a paywall, so here's the text:
Russian state television has broadcast calls for Vladimir Putin, the country’s president, to stop his war in Ukraine during a programme in which pundits openly likened the invasion to "Afghanistan, but even worse".
Vladimir Soloviyev, usually one of the Kremlin's most reliable chief propagandists, had to interrupt guests on his prime time television talk show to stop their criticism of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Speaking during a broadcast on Russia 1, Karen Shakhnazarov, a filmmaker and state pundit, said the conflict in Ukraine risked isolating Russia.
He told Mr Soloviyev: “I have a hard time imagining taking cities such as Kyiv. I can’t imagine how that would look.”
He went on to call for the conflict to be brought to an end, saying: “If this picture starts to transform into an absolute humanitarian disaster, even our close allies like China and India will be forced to distance themselves from us.
“This public opinion, with which they’re saturating the entire world, can play out badly for us ... Ending this operation will stabilise things within the country.”
Later during the broadcast of An Evening with Vladimir Soloviyev, one of Russian television's most-watched programmes, guest Semyon Bagdasarov, an academic, said: "Do we need to get into another Afghanistan, but even worse?”
He said that in Ukraine “there are more people and they’re more advanced in their weapon handling”, adding: “We don’t need that. Enough already."
The reference to Afghanistan, a conflict that scarred the Soviet Union and still scars Russia, was particularly poignant. The Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989, 10 years after it invaded, humiliated.
Historians have said that the Afghanistan failure and the disillusionment that millions felt after it helped pull down the Soviet Union two years later. Thousands of Soviet soldiers were killed in the war, which became deeply unpopular at home.
The invasion of Ukraine has been likened to the Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
A clearly irritated Mr Soloviyev, who owns a villa in Italy that has been seized and sanctioned by the European Union, interrupted Mr Bagdasarov.
The Kremlin relies heavily on state television to project the message that Putin's so-called "special operation" to rescue the Russian kinfolk of Ukraine from Nazis is going to plan.
Kremlin state television is one of the few sources of information about the war for the Russian public, after authorities restricted access to some social media sites and forced independent stations off the air.
Russia has threatened to imprison anyone who criticises the war for up to 15 years.
Ukraine has fought a savvy media campaign, which has included filming captured conscripts repenting for the invasion.
News of the setbacks in Ukraine appears to be filtering back to Russia. Over the weekend, a video emerged which showed mothers of soldiers angrily confronting a regional official and accusing the Kremlin of using their sons as "cannon fodder".
Small protests have also continued in Russia, despite a hard clampdown by the police.
The prime time Vladimir Soloviyev show is not the only one that appears to be straying off-message.
On the Russian ministry of defence's television channel, Zvezda, a serving army officer explained to a talk show audience how Russian soldiers were dying in Ukraine.
"Our guys over there, from Donetsk and Luhansk, and our special operation forces are dying and our country," he said.
"No, no, no," interrupted the presenter who gets up from his desk gesticulating and marches across the studio shouting: "Stop!"
"Our youth are still dying," the soldier continued.
By this time, the presenter had come up to him and shouted: "Can you stop now? I will tell you what our guys are doing there. Our guys are smashing the fascist snakes. It's a triumph of the Russian army. It's a Russian renaissance."
"Russian state television goes off message by broadcasting criticism of war. Normally a loyal source of pro-Kremlin propaganda, Russia 1 broadcasts guests describing the invasion as like ‘Afghanistan, but even worse’."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...en-worse-ukraine-war-denounced-russian-state/
The full article is behind a paywall, so here's the text:
Russian state television has broadcast calls for Vladimir Putin, the country’s president, to stop his war in Ukraine during a programme in which pundits openly likened the invasion to "Afghanistan, but even worse".
Vladimir Soloviyev, usually one of the Kremlin's most reliable chief propagandists, had to interrupt guests on his prime time television talk show to stop their criticism of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Speaking during a broadcast on Russia 1, Karen Shakhnazarov, a filmmaker and state pundit, said the conflict in Ukraine risked isolating Russia.
He told Mr Soloviyev: “I have a hard time imagining taking cities such as Kyiv. I can’t imagine how that would look.”
He went on to call for the conflict to be brought to an end, saying: “If this picture starts to transform into an absolute humanitarian disaster, even our close allies like China and India will be forced to distance themselves from us.
“This public opinion, with which they’re saturating the entire world, can play out badly for us ... Ending this operation will stabilise things within the country.”
Later during the broadcast of An Evening with Vladimir Soloviyev, one of Russian television's most-watched programmes, guest Semyon Bagdasarov, an academic, said: "Do we need to get into another Afghanistan, but even worse?”
He said that in Ukraine “there are more people and they’re more advanced in their weapon handling”, adding: “We don’t need that. Enough already."
The reference to Afghanistan, a conflict that scarred the Soviet Union and still scars Russia, was particularly poignant. The Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989, 10 years after it invaded, humiliated.
Historians have said that the Afghanistan failure and the disillusionment that millions felt after it helped pull down the Soviet Union two years later. Thousands of Soviet soldiers were killed in the war, which became deeply unpopular at home.
The invasion of Ukraine has been likened to the Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
A clearly irritated Mr Soloviyev, who owns a villa in Italy that has been seized and sanctioned by the European Union, interrupted Mr Bagdasarov.
The Kremlin relies heavily on state television to project the message that Putin's so-called "special operation" to rescue the Russian kinfolk of Ukraine from Nazis is going to plan.
Kremlin state television is one of the few sources of information about the war for the Russian public, after authorities restricted access to some social media sites and forced independent stations off the air.
Russia has threatened to imprison anyone who criticises the war for up to 15 years.
Ukraine has fought a savvy media campaign, which has included filming captured conscripts repenting for the invasion.
News of the setbacks in Ukraine appears to be filtering back to Russia. Over the weekend, a video emerged which showed mothers of soldiers angrily confronting a regional official and accusing the Kremlin of using their sons as "cannon fodder".
Small protests have also continued in Russia, despite a hard clampdown by the police.
The prime time Vladimir Soloviyev show is not the only one that appears to be straying off-message.
On the Russian ministry of defence's television channel, Zvezda, a serving army officer explained to a talk show audience how Russian soldiers were dying in Ukraine.
"Our guys over there, from Donetsk and Luhansk, and our special operation forces are dying and our country," he said.
"No, no, no," interrupted the presenter who gets up from his desk gesticulating and marches across the studio shouting: "Stop!"
"Our youth are still dying," the soldier continued.
By this time, the presenter had come up to him and shouted: "Can you stop now? I will tell you what our guys are doing there. Our guys are smashing the fascist snakes. It's a triumph of the Russian army. It's a Russian renaissance."
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Nato weapons are certainly propping up Zelensky at the moment. I think Zelensky has to realise he needs to make concessions and agree to some of Russia's demands.
Soldato
You don't just build a LNG plant with no planning
Honestly.
You have an irrational hatred for the EU, just say it, no need to cover it up, don't be so woke
On BBC news last evening some Chelsea fans were interviewed about Abramovich’s sanctioning and its effect on the club.
One said, “We can all understand hitting Russia and prominent Russians over what’s happening in Ukraine, but why should we, the club’s supporters have to suffer?”
I thought, ‘I bet the fans of Dynamo Kyiv empathise with your anguish.’
One said, “We can all understand hitting Russia and prominent Russians over what’s happening in Ukraine, but why should we, the club’s supporters have to suffer?”
I thought, ‘I bet the fans of Dynamo Kyiv empathise with your anguish.’
Soldato
Farage out on GBeebies defending the Oligarchs I see.
Something something something treason
Something something something treason
Soldato
Exactly, and what are they gonna do anyway? theyre still dealing with rebels and al-qaeda type forces.
jesus, wheres the violin?
The trick will be selling it to his people who’re rightfully enraged. Conceding territory will be a very bitter pill to swallow to go with ruined cities.
I’m not sure I’d want it myself.
The trick will be selling it to his people who’re rightfully enraged. Conceding territory will be a very bitter pill to swallow to go with ruined cities.
I’m not sure I’d want it myself.
Soldato
Soldato
That will be much harder for Putin who probably will not survive it.
Soldato
I have huge respect for Russian people in these positions who, despite huge personal risk, still stand up and refuse to tow the party line. I just hope enough of them get the message across. Reality is that it probably won't make a huge difference, but if there is a chance that it can pressure Putin into bringing this to an end, it's worth it! There are already small fleeting signs that there may be a small but powerful change in public opinion, hopefully this seed will grow.
Caporegime
No. He must endure. He cannot afford to make any concessions.
*Russian Prosecutors Demand Restricting Instagram Access: IFX
*Russian Prosecutors Seek to Declare Meta ‘Extremist’: Interfax
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1502253590815154179
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1502253653310193675
*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: Ukraine Has Reached a Strategic Turning Point in the War.
*Russian Prosecutors Seek to Declare Meta ‘Extremist’: Interfax
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1502253590815154179
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1502253653310193675
*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: Ukraine Has Reached a Strategic Turning Point in the War.
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For better or worse?
Soldato
I would say.
We are getting the people needed to build a LNG plant.
The site has been chosen and work will begin this year.
See how easy that was.
Caporegime
Ukraine also needs to be left with a functioning economy with the potential to prosper and across which the infrastructure functions. Access to the Black Sea is vital to trade, most of the oil reserves are in the East, as are most of Ukraine's most productive arable lands.
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