Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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gizmoy2k said:
I feel an Obama image incoming!
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I think this is just Russia trying to strong-arm Ukraine into backing down, I can't see them launching a full scale invasion of what is essentially a pretty defenceless country. They'd have absolutely no chance against even a small Russian invasion force. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the States and the EU though, surely they've got to urge a peaceful resolution pretty strongly sooner rather than later.

At this stage the whole 'invasion' thing seems blown out of proportion, all we have are pictures of alleged Russian troops, not particularly great in number. I'd also place a large question mark over the helicopter video too.
 
I am not saying it is all innocent but the fact that Russia is reinforcing and moving troops around it's own bases in the region isn't really a surprise. Any other country would be doing the same.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Yeah next time we fly B-2 over Somalia and they dont spot it... It was because they want us to believe they are all weak and all that nuisance :rolleyes:

Stakes are too high in Nuclear age... You do everything you can to show you are capable of mutual destruction principle to avoid conflict. Instead of good old strategy in pretending to be weak and then crushing the enemy once they attack....

We just wont get a chance after few thousand warheads fall on our heads 8 minutes after the launch....

it is not in our interest to "pretend" to be weak.
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Also, we are not in the 50's now you know! Everybody already knows that in a nuclear conflict mutual destruction is assured. Does anybody even deliver warheads by planes anymore?!?! Because we certainly don't.
 
mmj_uk said:
He's not the democratically elected leader we wanted, if he was he'd be free to murder as many people as he wants.

People have been dying in Bahrain for years protesting for basic democratic rights and we couldn't care less because their king is on our side, as long as the protestors don't disrupt our annual F1 Grand Prix it's all good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahraini_uprising_(2011–present)
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And that right there is the cusp of the entire thing. Our media will be throwing out accusation after accusation at Putin and Russia in general, just like they do whenever Russia is in the spot light (like this Olympics) when our "elite" leaders, our policies if you look at them from an outside point of view are just as corrupt, just as malicious and hypocritical as anyone... if not more so if you consider our behaviour over the last few decades.

I'm getting sick of being lead by our media and western governments over these situations when our actions produce nothing but instability, terrorism and the deaths of millions of innocent people whose families are then told to think of it as a good thing that they're dying. It's all complete BS.

Putin is a very shady character, no doubt he's done awful things in his life and will continue to use heavy handed methods to do what he wants. But thats not the reason why the west don't like him, we don't like him because he doesn't bend over to anyone. He doesn't give the west leverage to do what they want simply because he can see right through it. It's all about sovereignty, Russia values this and the west want to control the world market and have their say and influence over everything, but they can't with Putin. It's in this that Putin is a force for good, because as long as he's there stopping the destructive and anti-democratic actions of the "just" and "good" western elite, they can't do anything. There is an agenda in everything, and when that agenda crosses the sovereignty of independent states and their choice to live how they want (as we can see in the countless wars, western funded overturned governments, illegal airstrikes and unlawful deaths because of western intent and intelligence, all over the last 20+ years) it goes way too far, is illegal, morally dead and sickening to be part of. So whatever Russia are doing now, whatever the intentions, we have no right to call them evil when we have been there, done it and plan to do it some more in the future.
 
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Domo said:
US issue warning. To be expected I suppose. BBC speculates sanctions and boycotting the G8 hosted by Russia in June.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26394846
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Russia has already stated that apparently it is acting within the agreement of military assets deployment, will be quite interesting if and what reply will Putin administration think of.

On a side note this is partly why I dislike bbc
Ukraine's political crisis began in November when Mr Yanukovych rejected a trade deal with the EU in favour of a similar agreement with Russia.
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The deals were far from similar. The devil's in the detail and propagandish details that bbc writes sticks out like a sore thumb when I read it.
 
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physichull said:
Also, we are not in the 50's now you know! Everybody already knows that in a nuclear conflict mutual destruction is assured. Does anybody even deliver warheads by planes anymore?!?! Because we certainly don't.
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Actually I think UK is the only nuclear country which has no nuclear TRIAD or even DUAD or whatever it would be called.... We just rely on our 4 nuclear subs... With only 1 at the time being at sea.

Both Russia and USA, have ICBM silo based, ICBM sub based, and Nuclear weapons airplane based, this is called the nuclear TRIAD.

So yeah... B-2 is a nuclear bomber so is Tu-144... they were not developed in 50`s.
 
Jono8 said:
I am not saying it is all innocent but the fact that Russia is reinforcing and moving troops around it's own bases in the region isn't really a surprise. Any other country would be doing the same.
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Pretty much par for the course to reinforce a border with an unstable or potentially destabalised country as far as that goes.
 
Rroff said:
Pretty much par for the course to reinforce a border with an unstable or potentially destabalised country as far as that goes.
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Russia done this before with georgia, a nation backed by nato now. But before backed by the usa using private military contractors. A friend of mine worked with blackwater, (us pmc company) training up georgian forces, not there officially as a us task force, but funded by the bush administration.
 
setter said:
Russia done this before with georgia, a nation backed by nato now. But before backed by the usa using private military contractors. A friend of mine worked with blackwater, (us pmc company) training up georgian forces, not there officially as a us task force, but funded by the bush administration.
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If Georgian army was really trained up to NATO standards, then I really worry about capabilities of our army....

Georgians had their bum handed to them by Russians which are regarded as a 3rd world military...

Although I heard that the ones who scared Georgians most were the Chechen battalion, who didnt bother taking anyone alive, but I am not sure about this.

Maybe if Georgia was equipped with NATO tanks,aircrafts etc... Then we would have to be worried, but as far as of 2008 they were using old soviet equipment. So I guess that is probably the reason why they were defeated so easily.
 
Not the entire georgian army, certain units trained by us pmc companys such as blackwater and dyncorp to protect assets vital to us intersts, such as oil and gas pipelines, not just in georgia. Azerbaijan and khazakstan are two countries vital to us interests in this area, both countries where the us has pumped a lot of money into training local forces to gain control of vital oil and gas resources, therefore cutting iran and russia out of the equation.
 
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