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areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Can someone explain to me, what kind of "lethal" weapons are we going to supply to Ukraine that will make them win the war overnight?
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No ones supplying them yet and no-ones saying anything overnight.

Their main need is Anti Tank weapons and counter battery fire radar and control. 70% of casualties are from shelling and the armour is presenting a problem generally.

No-ones going to be giving them Abrams or patriots :/
 
Nutella33 said:
No ones supplying them yet and no-ones saying anything overnight.

Their main need is Anti Tank weapons and counter battery fire radar and control. 70% of casualties are from shelling and the armour is presenting a problem generally.

No-ones going to be giving them Abrams or patriots :/
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http://news.yahoo.com/us-delivers-anti-mortar-radars-ukraine-pentagon-222447307.html

Which Anti-Tank weapons are going to save the day then?

As I keep saying, Javelin is hardly your RPG-7... France only has 76 launchers and barely any countries have over 100 of them.

Now how many will we give and how long will it take to train the crew and how many of these will be captured and used against Ukraine?


Russia will clearly respond to this, how effective will 100 Javelins be against lets say... 2000 units of RPG-20+ series?

Its like having 1 King Tiger versus 10 T-34/85`s. We all know how that ended.
 
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areksnumbr1sxylady said:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-delivers-anti-mortar-radars-ukraine-pentagon-222447307.html

Which Anti-Tank weapons are going to save the day then?
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Anti Mortar isnt the only counter battery tool, as the name suggests its not much use against MLRS or heavy artillery. So if we were to supply them it would be the heavier counter battery radars like the British MAMBA system.

swedish GIRAFFE would be ideal, not too hitech but works and loads of them about > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIRAFFE_Radar

as for AT weapons? well why not RPG's or Milans/TOW? Not top range but loads better than what they have.

As I keep saying, Javelin is hardly your RPG-7 etc etc
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I'm not saying javelin

Russia will clearly respond to this, how effective will 100 Javelins be against lets say... 2000 units of RPG-20+ series
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Anything we give them will be used vs armour. not top trumps. you only need to outnumber the tanks, not their AT weapons :/
 
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Nutella33 said:
Anti Mortar isnt the only counter battery tool, as the name suggests its not much use against MLRS or heavy artillery. So if we were to supply them it would be the heavier counter battery radars like the British MAMBA system.

swedish GIRAFFE would be ideal, not too hitech but works and loads of them about > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIRAFFE_Radar
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Due to close proximity of fighting to Russian border, these systems will be jammed by Russians with little to no difficulty.

Ukraine already has AT weapons similar to Milans or TOW...

9k111 Faggot, 9M113, 9K115-2, SKIF, RPG-29, RPG-22,RPG-18.

Only game changer here would be a Javelin if used properly and supplied in thousands.

I keep repeating same thing, even if you outnumber AT weapons against tanks it hardly guarantees success, because the Russians will do exactly same thing, taking everyone back to square 0 just with a lot more casualties.

Only issue is that if we up the game to supply sophisticated equipment, we will struggle with personnel, while the Russians will easily supply trained crew along with the equipment.
 
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They are designed to be used near the enemy you muppet. That's the entire basis of them.

Ukraine already has AT weapons similar to Milans or TOW
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Yes but they need *more*. availability is the issue not necessarily the technology. oh and of the ones you just listed none of them are close to MILAN or TOW apart from konkars and metis...which are both provided by the russians, so thats going to run out soon. Konkars for example is listed as having only 500 units before all this kicked off, faggot - 800

Only game changer here would be a Javelin if used properly and supplied in thousands.
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Please stop acting like the only viable thing is a "wonder weapon" and that's all that people are suggesting. simply more of what they have would do with a few areas of capability filled in.

jl10000 said:
Germany and France have made it clear that they do not want the US sending weapons into Ukraine.
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True. US reckons Italy, Poland and the UK will though apparently, and the US could have course go it alone. Obama has both houses to the republicans.
 
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Nutella33 said:
They are designed to be used near the enemy you muppet. That's the entire basis of them.


Yes but they need *more*. availability is the issue not necessarily the technology. oh and of the ones you just listed none of them are close to MILAN or TOW apart from konkars and metis...which are both provided by the russians, so thats going to run out soon.


Please stop acting like the only viable thing is a "wonder weapon" and that's all that people are suggesting. simply more of what they have would do with a few areas of capability filled in.


True. US reckons Italy, Poland and the UK will though apparently, and they could go it alone. Obama has both houses to the republicans.
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And Jammers were designed to Jam them :rolleyes::rolleyes: Only difference is that we will give 70`s tech while Russians will deploy 2000`s technology on the border (maybe even inside Ukraine)

Ukraine has 800 of Fagots, 500 of Konkurs and a few of Metises and Skifs which are essentially a copy of TOW.

Pretty sure thats more than amount of Heavy Armory the Rebels have.... You can use RPG-7 to pierce BTRS.
 
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And Jammers were designed to Jam them
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Heres a hint. Jamming is not always totally effective and things like encryption and frequency agility have been around since WW2.

Ukraine has 800 of Fagots, 500 of Konkurs and a few of Metises and Skifs which are essentially a copy of TOW.
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had. A year ago, before bases got captured in crimea and bases were lost in eastern ukraine....and before they have been at war for the same amount of time :/

Pretty sure thats more than amount of Heavy Armory the Rebels have.... You can use RPG-7 to pierce BTRS.
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1 missile doesn't equal 1 kill, total stock before the war doesnt equal stock now and if I was holding an AT weapon I'd prefer it wasn't one that required me to be 500m from the target when most of the fighting is over open fields!

Your disconnect from reality is startling. I think I'm going to have to use the ignore feature.
 
jl10000 said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/05/us-ukraine-crisis-nato-weapons-idUSKBN0L91SR20150205

Britain and Poland are US poodle states, Italy say no. Germany is the EU, so the EU is against it.

Considering the US were not involved in the talks it might suggest they have other plans for Ukraine, **** the EU.
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It wouldnt be an EU vote so Germany not being involved isn't exactly a massive issue. Its been quite clear that individual countries may take different measures.

Interesting to note all the ex-soviet block countries are wanting to send help.

We've had two rounds of diplomacy fail so far, plus crimea. I can see a fully republican USA and some very angry ex-soviet block states breaking ranks if no one else. Again we'll have to see, never know the little shelling tonight might just be a blip.
 
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Nutella33 said:
Heres a hint. Jamming is not always totally effective and things like encryption and frequency agility have been around since WW2.


had. A year ago, before bases got captured in crimea and bases were lost in eastern ukraine....and before they have been at war for the same amount of time :/


1 missile doesn't equal 1 kill, total stock before the war doesnt equal stock now and if I was holding an AT weapon I'd prefer it wasn't one that required me to be 500m from the target when most of the fighting is over open fields!

Your disconnect from reality is startling. I think I'm going to have to use the ignore feature.
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Ukraine had >1300 units of sophisticated AT weaponry a year ago. You do realize that even if they managed to evaporate 1000 of those, 300 would still be enough to outmatch amount of Armory the rebels have right?

1300 is a very conservative estimate and I am pretty sure the real number of "sophisticated AT" would be around 2000.

Furthermore, RPGS-20+ series are more than capable to take out T-72`s.

Your jamming point is completely invalid, it is extremely easy to completely jam whole frequencies especially when there is 3-4 decade difference in technologies.

The only thing hilarious I find rather than your claim of me being dissociated, is those pictures US presented showing "Russian" equipment inside Ukraine.

Chemical weapons in Iraq at least looked like a good job and we still cant find them... Now we have pictures from Twitter and Satelite pics of random armory god knows where that is 100% Russian.
 
Captain Planet said:
I love these pro Russian people, living it up in Western democracy.

Move!!!
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So, if I dont agree with "Western Democracy" foreign actions, such as war on Iraq due to chemical weapons (which were never found and disproved by UN)

War in Libya, where we took country to stone age and left it in hands of idiots so much so that its in 2nd war right now.

I should move to Russia?

I guess thats same style as Ukranians are treating Donbass people "Dont wanna do as we want to, go to Russia"

So much democracy, much freedom, much free speech.
 
Ouch those columns of "Russian" armour (has the rebel flags and markings) moving to positions outside Mariupol are a bit worrying... not looking like they are moving/returning to defensive positions.

@areksnumbr1sxylady if the latest videos are anything to go by I think your completely under estimating what it would take.
 
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Nutella33 said:
It wouldnt be an EU vote so Germany not being involved isn't exactly a massive issue. Its been quite clear that individual countries may take different measures. .
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It would be a very big diplomatic issue if the US helps fuel a civil war on the border of Europe and just ignores what Germany and France want. I still haven't worked out why the US has any business in the conflict other than being part of international efforts to end the war as soon as possible, which supplying weapons will not do, utter madness!
 
jl10000 said:
It would be a very big diplomatic issue if the US helps fuel a civil war on the border of Europe and just ignores what Germany and France want. I still haven't worked out why the US has any business in the conflict other than being part of international efforts to end the war as soon as possible, which supplying weapons will not do, utter madness!
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Cause we are world Police, we sort issues by giving more guns and escalating things so they can all kill each-other...

After all, they are not on our border are they... Its EU whos going to have to deal with humanitarian crisis and refugees not us.

Also, just a quckie :p Those of you who slither all over Crimea Annexation... If tomorrow there is a referendum in Crimea with all UN countries observation, and the question will be either to Stay in RF or Go back to Ukraine...

What will be the outcome? I am just curious.
 
jl10000 said:
It would be a very big diplomatic issue if the US helps fuel a civil war on the border of Europe and just ignores what Germany and France want. I still haven't worked out why the US has any business in the conflict other than being part of international efforts to end the war as soon as possible, which supplying weapons will not do, utter madness!
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Because when Russia is attacking you by proxy or actually you tend to go to the big boys.

What France and Germany want may quickly become a non issue to countries closer to the fighting. If action flares they may just get left behind as dead weight because if Ukraine starts falling, Poland will react and Germany and France will be seen as inert and powerless.
 
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