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I just have one more question....

We consider ourselves in the west as people with right morals who believe in democracy.

Why have we not even single once, said that we should let people of Donbass DECIDE who they want to be part of... Ukraine or Russia or Independant. Isnt this what self-determination is all about?

Ukraine official stance is that Donbass cities are held hostage by Russian army, this should clearly be a walk in a park right? In a UN observed poll.
 
i don't care about ukraine from uk, why do usa who are even further away care? who in usa cares? nsa? cia? sd? pentagon? obama? who cares? and why?

why did usa engineer a 5+billion dollar coup in ukraine? is there a big picture? there must be a big picture right?

if this is all about $ then it's damn right evil, on both sides.
 
Its obvious that the US has played a much bigger part in the crisis than it lets on, I don't think I can stomach any more of the rot about freedom and democracy. The US is pulling the strings in Kiev and Putin is in full control of the rebels.

What do you mean by Ukraine falling? Do you think the East Ukrainians want to take Kiev?

The Kiev regime have been crying wolf in regards to a full Russian invasion, they may actually get one if American weapons arrive.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
We consider ourselves in the west as people with right morals who believe in democracy.

Why have we not even single once, said that we should let people of Donbass DECIDE who they want to be part of... Ukraine or Russia or Independant. Isnt this what self-determination is all about?
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The communist party and 'Russian sympathisers' were removed from the Ukrainian parliament by ultra nationalists after the revolution, the East Ukrainians no longer have any political representation in Ukraine so it is highly likely they would side with Russia in some form. 730,000 refugees fled to Russia after demonstrations against the Kiev regime were put down using fighter jets and Molotov cocktails.
 
jl10000 said:
What do you mean by Ukraine falling? Do you think the East Ukrainians want to take Kiev?
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No not an invasion of kiev. If the eastern rebels take anywhere near the amount of ground which has majority Russian speakers (their declared goal) in the east and south the government will collapse and you will either get fascists or total civil war.

That might even happen if Kiev fails to halt the current situation.
730,000 refugees fled to Russia after demonstrations against the Kiev regime were put down using fighter jets and Molotov cocktails.
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Un says a million people have become refugees and the figure of homeless refugees in Russia is around 25000.
Unless Russia happened to have a city empty, I think the figures have been cooked.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=50017#.VOAWrHNFDqB

Btw there are still Russian majority areas that are not and have not been fighting. Odd that only the regions bordering Russia have been isn't it.
 
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jl10000 said:
The communist party and 'Russian sympathisers' were removed from the Ukrainian parliament by ultra nationalists after the revolution, the East Ukrainians no longer have any political representation in Ukraine so it is highly likely they would side with Russia in some form. 730,000 refugees fled to Russia after demonstrations against the Kiev regime were put down using fighter jets and Molotov cocktails.
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I am sure those Refugees will return once the peace is guaranteed by the UN, it doesnt matter about representation.

People of Donbass not politicians, should vote in UN observed elections.

Only issue is that, the whole war in Donbass started by "federalists" asking to have a vote on federalization, instead you know what happened...

Why have neither WE (West) or Ukraine ever suggested to have a referendum in Donbass in order for people to decide what they want? I mean, we can ignore Russia because they are 10th world... but what about us the west, we are all about democracy and power of people and choice... Right?
 
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why is ukraine this important to usa?
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Because ideally, the strong ones should protect little ones.

I dont agree with your stance "We shouldnt care, they far away"

Thats why we have police, so that more or less we protect the "right" and punish the "wrong" regardless of your own power.

I believe this is also a right thing to do on world arena, although, it seems something went really wrong.......
 
ukraine have their own police.

i'd love you to be correct :) the realist in me does'nt sorry. police are the good guys 99.9999. this is'nt about police, this is something else i think, though i don't know what.

i'd just like our governments which we pay for to tell us why, William (we must bomb seria now) Hague, has been told to say this, obviously by usa to say it.

come on we're adults tell us what's going on.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Because ideally, the strong ones should protect little ones.

I dont agree with your stance "We shouldnt care, they far away"

Thats why we have police, so that more or less we protect the "right" and punish the "wrong" regardless of your own power.

I believe this is also a right thing to do on world arena, although, it seems something went really wrong.......
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something? lol usa got caught stealing ukraine, and everyone knows it.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/w...rainian-fact-from-ukrainian-fiction.html?_r=0

Sifting Ukrainian Fact From Ukrainian Fiction: Video of Senator James Inhofe presenting photographs to the Senate on Wednesday of what he said were Russian tanks in Ukraine. Two of the images were in fact taken in 2008 during Russia's war with Georgia
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg

Interesting stuff, BBC saying that snipers might in fact have been Ukranian on Maidan?

Has BBC been bought by RUssia Today? I can see no other logical explanation to this.
 
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areksnumbr1sxylady said:
US didnt steal anything.

Western Ukraine wants to be all "European" and "American" it is just not fair that this is imposed on the East by force.

I repeat myself again, why havent there been a vote to let people decide what they wish to do?
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Why hasn't there been a vote in Spain for Catalunya? Why no vote in Northern Ireland? Why not vote for the people of Cornwall? Because you can't just randomly split a country up because some vocal and violent residents want you too.
 
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