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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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No evidence of Ukraine firing that in the link
Do you know how silly you look, move to Russia then
Opinion has no place in the news.
arbolioto.blogspot
stopwar.org.uk
Those sites/links are the bottom of the barrel tbh
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I occasionally watch RT, last week it had an item of a British journalist in Ukraine who sold a piece to the Guardian and Sky. The piece contained footage of Ukraine Govt forces shelling a village. Sky voice over on the this piece changed it to rebel shelling of the village and the Guardian wrote the same.
The journalist complained to both these organisations about the fabrication and he said the guardian apologised but he heard nothing from Sky.
I think the news from that region has to be taken with a deal of scepticism, certainly the emasculated BBC is no better than RT.
So sky and the guardian fluff stuff but the BBC is to blame and is like RT?
And your using a RT report on the bias of western media to judge it, the channel that ofcom has tried to sort out due to bias where reporting direct critisim of Putin is off limits which regularly reports on conspiracy theory's?
The guys even have a neo Nazi as a spokeman for "German issues"
RT is like the Sun just with a different agenda.
To quote the ex presenter who quit...
I would advise looking at this site often...http://www.stopfake.org/en/news/
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This ^
Thanks for link Nutella33
Some of those stories - Hilarious (if it were not so Serious)
"Ukrainian Scientists Believe that Their Ancestors dug up the Black Sea"
Infamous Heroine of the “Sloviansk Boy’s Crucifixion” Report
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So sky and the guardian fluff stuff but the BBC is to blame and is like RT?
And your using a RT report on the bias of western media to judge it, the channel that ofcom has tried to sort out due to bias where reporting direct critisim of Putin is off limits which regularly reports on conspiracy theory's?
As I said
which by definition includes both RT and western media or are you saying that all info from western media channels is the unvarnished truth?
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You did look at the people behind the site. The Kiev school of journalism with a journo from Buffalo state university. Well that's bound to be very impartial.
I usually watch media from various countries and judge myself rather than just accept the BBC.
I usually watch media from various countries and judge myself rather than just accept the BBC.
Right sector paramilitaries have vowed to keep fighting and ignore the Minsk treaty, Dmitriy Yarosh has publicly declared this. He claims he is in command of 10,000 men who have no allegiance to Poroshenko.
It doesn't matter who fires first, it won't last anyway.
yes you said that.. but after a story of sky/guardian impartiality you then used it to link the BBC with RT which was my first point.
not at all, Just mocking your comparison of RT to the BBC. They are not even in the same league.
It's user submitted and questions both sides. If you have a fake story from western sources submit it with your counter proof.
And russia on friday said they had no control over the rebels so couldnt be held accountable (making their part and signatures on the deal worthless) whilst the rebels themselves are still pushing for mariupol and Debaltsevo.
it didn't last 2 hours. And you say that but if Ukraine had kept up the offensive you would be shouting about how it legitimises all the actions of the rebels so far.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30414955
"But Ukrainian officials and many in the media err to the other extreme. They claim that Ukrainian politics are completely fascist-free. This, too, is plain wrong."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27173857
Ukraine for Ukrainians! (not ethnic Russians)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKpJ1-ECpPg
You're wrong about that, nobody has to pick sides and I don't support Russia or the US. Its just the elites fighting over who gets the bestest and mostest out of Ukraine; the people doing the fighting are the chumps and suckers.
No idea of what point you are trying to make here?
I could post videos of the BNP shouting England for the English or even Russian Nazi's in Russia..!
If a single country on the continent didn't have Nazi's/Fascists now that would be exceptional wouldn't it.
sorry not a fan of the world elite conspiracy either.
btw nulir's links were more on the point of RT's propaganda role in reply to stig, I dont think he is debating that there are no right wingers in the ukrainian protests.
Which as an aside was always a bit of a weird angle for russia to complain about given well... Russia and recent statements about "5th columnists being anyone who doesn't support putin"
ukraine forces count 60 attacks today. 40 WIA evacuated from Debaltseve and rebel forces have taken part of Shyrokyne (road to mariupol). Pictures of what is apparently a russian tank in donetsk are on twitter.
claimed T64 -BV
https://twitter.com/murderotica_/status/567007954520768513
Which would be from part of the stock taken at crimea and shipped over by russia to eastern ukraine if previous T64-BV's are anything to go by.
http://www.janes.com/article/40139/ukraine-captures-russian-t-64-mbt-near-donetsk
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...ter-saving-russian-soldier-s-life/515165.html
we also have the rebel leader saying -
And Kiev leader on the phone to the "normandy group"
btw nulir's links were more on the point of RT's propaganda role in reply to stig, I dont think he is debating that there are no right wingers in the ukrainian protests.
Which as an aside was always a bit of a weird angle for russia to complain about given well... Russia and recent statements about "5th columnists being anyone who doesn't support putin"
ukraine forces count 60 attacks today. 40 WIA evacuated from Debaltseve and rebel forces have taken part of Shyrokyne (road to mariupol). Pictures of what is apparently a russian tank in donetsk are on twitter.
claimed T64 -BV
https://twitter.com/murderotica_/status/567007954520768513
Which would be from part of the stock taken at crimea and shipped over by russia to eastern ukraine if previous T64-BV's are anything to go by.
http://www.janes.com/article/40139/ukraine-captures-russian-t-64-mbt-near-donetsk
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...ter-saving-russian-soldier-s-life/515165.html
we also have the rebel leader saying -
And Kiev leader on the phone to the "normandy group"
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Its because you're totally ignorant of the ultra nationalist problem in Eastern Europe, not just Ukraine. The situation with the far right in this country is not comparable to Ukraine, they have and hopefully always will be unpopular. Where as in Ukraine the far right hold many positions of power after the revolution and command thousands of men in the civil war, it is not a few stupid EDL protesters shouting in the streets after a football match. These far right groups barricaded opposition to the Kiev government in a building and burnt them all to death. The Kiev government claims it is a mystery how the fire started, even though we can all quite clearly see videos of the maidan protesters petrol bombing the building.
That Guardian article claims no nazis/fascists or whatever you want to call them are involved. Where as the BBC article contradicts that myth, along with anybody who has common sense.
Its a very important point, because the East of Ukraine will not want to unite with the west under the current regime considering they attacked them using paramilitaries, the army and then took away their vote in the presidential and parliamentary elections.
It isn't a global conspiracy, this is what all wars are about; money and power. Forget all that rubbish about freedom, democracy, patriotism.
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After watching the BBC for decades and like most Britons believing all they said the advent of satellite TV and various foreign channels and then looking back over who said what and when my regard for the BBC has plummeted. Certainly after the last round of cuts and 're-organisation' their news coverage has been dire. I also read Private Eye which has also criticised RT giving instances of factual errors.
They are now.
Where does this come from in relation to my post?
Ditto.
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