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kindai said:
You mean by providing them training for the best part of a decade, being the country who was leading by sending arms to defend themselves while the rest of the world sent "thoughts, prayers and condemnation". The ones leading in pushing for sanctions. The ones pushing for other countries to follow our lead? By underwriting nearly a billion in funding for them.

Who would you rather have sent? Starmer who probably would have sent a pot plant. Corbyn? Who would probably have been cheering the Russians on. Nicola Sturgeon who would have probably used it to call for Scottish independence?

Get a grip.

Boris has handled this better than any other leader on the world stage short of Zelenskiy himself.

Theres a reason the Ukrainians are shouting "God save the Queen" and "thank you Boris". Our contribution may not be the largest in dollar amount or number of arms sent, but we were the first to be piling over what we could and leading the way while other countries and institutions sat on their hands.
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Well said. Totally agree
 
Mr Jack said:
I think it's more that they just don't care that much.
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I think the US is more interested in watching Russia slowly bleed it's military to death just like in Afghanistan and are happy that Europe for once (according to the US) has decided to intervene, rather than expect the US to do it (again, that a US opinion).

I also think that the US is far more interested in China right now, it's virtually re-jigging most of its military (tactics, equipment, training etc) around the threat they pose than the threat from Russia.
 
Mr Jack said:
I think it's more that they just don't care that much. Ukraine is the other side of the world for the US, not a conflict on the doorstep as it is for us, and so their main interest isn't Ukrainian victory, it's avoiding getting the US into a messy conflict. Biden has repeatedly said he does not want the US to be the World Police; he will absolutely back NATO but he won't back Ukraine just because the Russians are genocidal ******* or because Ukraine is a democratic nation. The only reason he is getting involved at all is that most of the US's important allies really care, and the US public is appalled by what is happening.
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The US were front and centre from day 1. They were saying the invasion was imminent when others were saying it wasn't going to happen. If the US and Biden weren't interested you can bet there wouldn't have been such a united front from NATA and the EU. The fact he is concerned about not getting involved in a war with Russia doesn't mean he or the US administration doesn't care. Just thank the gods it isn't Trump or all we would have had was Trump calling Putin a genius and savvy for the invasion... oh wait we already did.
 
arknor said:
I said that? any number of people could have gone, where's the foreign secretary ?
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Yeah... Best leave her out of it!
The PM was the right man for this job. Only other person I'd expect to see there would have been the Defence Secretery. Who, so far, has seemed reasonable.
 
ianh said:
I think the US is more interested in watching Russia slowly bleed it's military to death just like in Afghanistan and are happy that Europe for once (according to the US) has decided to intervene, rather than expect the US to do it (again, that a US opinion).

I also think that the US is far more interested in China right now, it's virtually re-jigging most of its military (tactics, equipment, training etc) around the threat they pose than the threat from Russia.
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True with a growing potential threat from China it suits US interests if Russia is bled - but at the expense of Ukraine that ain't great.
 
*World Bank: Ukraine Economy To Shrink 45% In 2022, Russia 11%
*World Bank: It Estimates That Half Of Ukraine's Businesses Have Shut Down, War Has Cut Off 90% Of Ukraine's Grain Exports, Half Of All Exports
*According To The World Bank Forecast: Nearly Half Of Ukraine's Economy Has Shrunk By Nearly Half
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wa...t-by-over-45-world-bank-forecasts-2022-04-10/

*Ukraine Deputy Prime Minister Vereshchuk: 2824 People Were Evacuated On Sunday, Including 213 Mariupol Residents

*Powerful Blasts Heard in Kharkiv, Ukraine’s North-Eastern City — Local Media
*Strong Blasts Were Also Reported in Ukraine’s Southern City of Mykolaiv, According to Local Media.
 
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arknor said:
I said that? any number of people could have gone, where's the foreign secretary ?
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LMFAO are you just trolling now?

Boris and Zelenskiy have been in daily contact and have a good state-friendship built. Sending anyone else would have been insulting at best and the ridicule for sending Truss would make partygate look like nothing.

Maybe stop being so sour about Boris all the time and actually look at how well he has handled the current situation rather than cry about something that frankly nobody cares about anymore.
 
0007 said:
*Zelenskiy Says He Does Not Have Confidence That Ukraine Forces Will Get What They Need From the U.S. to Succeed in War With Russia — CBS ‘60 Minutes’ Interview

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I don't blame him

you have nato, UK and US on one hand saying we will give you so many weapons that Russia will never dream to invade you again and on the other hand saying no sorry we can't give you those weapons today you'll have to wait
 
The only thing that could quickly change the outcome of the war in Ukraine's favour would be NATO intervention, so offering them nearly everything else really doesn't seem like much of an issue honestly.

I still think a limited intervention x miles from any contested space (oblasts with no active Russian occupation essentially) could be feasible without inviting too much of an escalation with the instalment of AA systems with the justification that evacuation routes and critical civilian infrastructure require protection. No need to install cruise missiles as there's more than enough coverage from Poland/Romania for that if the necessity ever arose.
 
kindai said:
LMFAO are you just trolling now?

Boris and Zelenskiy have been in daily contact and have a good state-friendship built. Sending anyone else would have been insulting at best and the ridicule for sending Truss would make partygate look like nothing.

Maybe stop being so sour about Boris all the time and actually look at how well he has handled the current situation rather than cry about something that frankly nobody cares about anymore.
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I can't see how Starmer would have done anything different to what Johnson would have done as they both would have copied what current european presidents have done in the past month. Johnson and the rest of Western goverments would have known what Russia was going to get up too for probably years because it seems Putin has some major intel leaks coming from within and have prepared responses. Kind of makes sense why he didnt quit over partygate because he knew what was coming up in the next month or two and was hoping it would save his bacon.

On the other hand its better if Johnson is in because could you imagine Gove or that bloke that dresses like an undertaker handling this? :cry:
 
(UK MoD Update) — 'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 10 April 2022'

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https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1513257128257064977
 
Grim5 said:
I don't blame him

you have nato, UK and US on one hand saying we will give you so many weapons that Russia will never dream to invade you again and on the other hand saying no sorry we can't give you those weapons today you'll have to wait
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To be fair, it isnt as simple as just handing over equipment.
Before we even consider the ammunition, logistics and maintainance burdon of a lot Western equipment. You also have to consider the Secret and restricted equipment fitted. Communications and ECM equipment which are all very tightly guarded, they are also often hardwired in and require extensive work to remove this stuff.
I havnt even started on the contractual agreements with industry, a lot of this stuff is also tightly guarded industrial secrets and governments are contracted to keep that the case.

What dosnt help is the earlier reports of Ukraine getting ex soviet armour and fighter jets and nothing materialising. A low blow, I dont see us or the Yanks helping much beyond anything already announced, other than just more of it. Only thing I can see changing that is a drastic change in the war. Its very much in the West's interests to keep this going and attrit Russian forces and military economy.
 
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