Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chris Wilson said:
Much as the western media likes to totally slate Russia and give no voice whatsoever to their opinions, (as they didn't with Saddam in the Gulf Wars, and his supposed "weapons of mass destruction"), there are two sides to this story, and I won't pretend I believe Russia have zero reasons for bringing Ukraine into line.
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Sure there is 2 or more sides to the story - but only one side has made little attempt to deal with any issues through real political means, repeatedly telling outright lies in the UN, etc. which even a child could see through (sure there are few entities which have a squeaky clean record in that respect but still), is willing to actively displace and kill 10s of thousands even millions to achieve their aims and is OK with atrocities of all kinds on a large scale (even if we were to assume half of it was Ukrainian propaganda). All the while using other methods of intimidation including threats of nuclear war to try and achieve their ends.

Even as someone who tries to see more than one side to a story there is a point where their voice is worth little more than ****.
 
B&W said:
What's to stop Russia using tactical nukes if they can't reinforce there eastern areas or even donbas.
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The risk of damaging the already precarious relationships they currently maintain with China/India. Also those weapons are only really useful for pushing forward and they kind of want the land they're trying to push into so it would be counterproductive.
 
bingham67 said:
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It's odd how despite there being a risk from drones/artillery etc.. it doesn't seem to be standard practice for them to attempt to conceal their vehicles... where is all the netting etc..? Should at least make it harder to spot them and obscure that, say, this particular vehicle is some MLRS system rather than a random Russian army ruck etc.
 
B&W said:
What's to stop Russia using tactical nukes if they can't reinforce there eastern areas or even donbas.
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Nothing but they probably won't because the conventional weapons are probably cheaper and do pretty much the same job it just takes more of them to do it than a tactical nuke, we're not talking Hiroshima levels of destruction with these weapons
 
@Chris Wilson . I don’t think there are two sides to the story mate any more than there’s two sides to the Jimmy Saville Story. Yes I’m sure Russia has issues with its neighbours but murdering and torturing and raping them isn’t the way the world works anymore. I have no interest in hearing why Russia thinks this is acceptable

Every time I do hear a Russian trying to justify their actions they genuinely sound ‘mad’.
 
dowie said:
It's odd how despite there being a risk from drones/artillery etc.. it doesn't seem to be standard practice for them to attempt to conceal their vehicles... where is all the netting etc..? Should at least make it harder to spot them and obscure that, say, this particular vehicle is some MLRS system rather than a random Russian army ruck etc.
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Probably because they were a distance behind the front lines and a perception of being relatively safe with Ukraine having limited ability to use the air - the average Russian soldier, even those commanding sections like this, likely don't have the access to the internet, etc. we do and aren't aware of half of what is going on and the way things like drones have changed the paradigm. Eventually it will probably filter down from higher levels of command who'll be more aware and adapting to the circumstances but even then you'll likely get some complacency in lower ranks who've not directly dealt with it.
 
Rilot said:
Desperate men do desperate things.
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personally I dont think Putin will have the only say in launching nukes.

There has to be a lot of people in the chain that will not let it get that far.

Trumps generals gave him a fake suitcase because they knew he was nuts and wanted to nuke Iran, Putin may be the supreme leader but nukes? No way.
 
Chris Wilson said:
If Russia was training the IRA during "The Troubles" and giving them modern weaponry to the tune of billions of pounds, would England not consider their forces were not getting involved? NATO is involved up to their eye teeth, sans putting boots on the ground and Russia knows it of course, plus all the financial pressure layered upon them. "All that is happening" sounds minor, it's as major as the west can make it short of an all out war, don't kid yourself or anyone else, they're teetering on the edge of this blowing up beyond control.
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Actually it was America that funded the IRA. The fundraising in America was hugely successfu.
 
B&W said:
What's to stop Russia using tactical nukes if they can't reinforce there eastern areas or even donbas.
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Putin can implement whatever means he has at his disposal to achieve whatever goals he has, but this war has demonstrated that he has no guarantee of success.
 
Chris Wilson said:
If Russia was training the IRA during "The Troubles" and giving them modern weaponry to the tune of billions of pounds, would England not consider their forces were not getting involved? NATO is involved up to their eye teeth, sans putting boots on the ground and Russia knows it of course, plus all the financial pressure layered upon them. "All that is happening" sounds minor, it's as major as the west can make it short of an all out war, don't kid yourself or anyone else, they're teetering on the edge of this blowing up beyond control.
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How does than analogy apply here? NI is part of the UK. The IRA were not the sovereign government of NI and the UK was not invading. Also the Soviets supplied weapons and training through proxies to the IRA. Large amounts of money came from the US to support the IRA.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation and has every right to defend itself. Countries supply weapons and training to other countries to thwart invaders all the time. The US supplied weapons and training in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded, those weapons helped turn the tide.
Russia bought this on itself, they chose to invade Ukraine, they get away with it in 2014, they aren't getting away with it in 2022. I don't give a damn about their hurt feelings. As long as NATO troops don't get involved directly in the war its not going to turn into a nuclear war. People need to get a grip, far too much bed wetting going on.
 
Rroff said:
Probably because they were a distance behind the front lines and a perception of being relatively safe with Ukraine having limited ability to use the air - the average Russian soldier, even those commanding sections like this, likely don't have the access to the internet, etc. we do and aren't aware of half of what is going on and the way things like drones have changed the paradigm. Eventually it will probably filter down from higher levels of command who'll be more aware and adapting to the circumstances but even then you'll likely get some complacency in lower ranks who've not directly dealt with it.
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Not being at the front line isn't an excuse there, it's just incompetency.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Much as the western media likes to totally slate Russia and give no voice whatsoever to their opinions, (as they didn't with Saddam in the Gulf Wars, and his supposed "weapons of mass destruction"), there are two sides to this story, and I won't pretend I believe Russia have zero reasons for bringing Ukraine into line.
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Why don't you just raise the Russian flag? Its perfectly possible to hear the Russian side of this and what they are saying is insane. They want to eradicate Ukraine, wipe it as a nation from existence. Their state media is talking about wiping NATO off the map. Their troops have committed war crimes in Ukraine. Russia wants nations on its border to be under its control, if you think that is fair enough go live there and see how much fun that is. Can't believe you are attempting to excuse Russian actions :rolleyes:
 
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