Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
Combat (without previous experience) is one part having the training to know how to react, one part having the presence of mind to carry out your training. Fitness and weapon familiarity is one thing but all bets are off once stuff starts flying.

It is interesting comparing some of the videos of VDV, etc. in comparison to Ukrainian forces who've had a bit of training with Western instructors in their first bit of contact.
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Totally agree, but the mind can only do so much if the body won’t let it, myself my knees, left ankle and left shoulder are ******, so yes I remember the contact drills, but I highly doubt I could pepper pot, advancing to combat for any longer than about ten yards lol
 
UK CIC course is 26 weeks, from Day 1, this is the Army (caw caw) as you arrive in civvies at ATC Pirbright , to Final Parade at ITC Catterick and you accept you`re just a crunchie ; the course is updated on the regular. But as woppy said, soldering is a young mans game , how many over 40`s do a stag , like ever, out of choice (in the ******* rain, writing a stag list on a waterproof notepad thats simply falls apart )...... anyway i digress
 
Harlequin said:
UK CIC course is 26 weeks, from Day 1, this is the Army (caw caw) as you arrive in civvies at ATC Pirbright , to Final Parade at ITC Catterick and you accept you`re just a crunchie ; the course is updated on the regular. But as woppy said, soldering is a young mans game , how many over 40`s do a stag , like ever, out of choice (in the ******* rain, writing a stag list on a waterproof notepad thats simply falls apart )...... anyway i digress
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Yeah that’s the one thing I don’t miss, someone kicking your basher at 2AM “you’re on stag mate”
 
Harlequin said:
UK CIC course is 26 weeks, from Day 1, this is the Army (caw caw) as you arrive in civvies at ATC Pirbright , to Final Parade at ITC Catterick and you accept you`re just a crunchie ; the course is updated on the regular. But as woppy said, soldering is a young mans game , how many over 40`s do a stag , like ever, out of choice (in the ******* rain, writing a stag list on a waterproof notepad thats simply falls apart )...... anyway i digress
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Something I was trying to cover in a post just above - a lot of people in this context of throwing people into a war with "basic training" seem to be thinking of phase 1 / 14 weeks which is really all about mental adjustment and training (weapons, etc.) so new recruits aren't a liability around other soldiers - it isn't until they hit Catterick or wherever (depending on the path they go through) where actual combat training begins.
 
Rroff said:
Combat (without previous experience) is one part having the training to know how to react, one part having the presence of mind to carry out your training. Fitness and weapon familiarity is one thing but all bets are off once stuff starts flying.

It is interesting comparing some of the videos of VDV, etc. in comparison to Ukrainian forces who've had a bit of training with Western instructors in their first bit of contact.
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I think one description of the VDV that I saw was basically they're the bully boys of the Russian army who are pretty much trained to intimidate mutinous troops (or historically say troops in a member of the soviet union where the leadership was getting a bit ahead of itself) than actually fight in combat against a foreign force.
IIRC they're all a certain height and build, and as part of the intimidation factor for several days a year they're basically allowed to beat up pretty much anyone they want as part of their "celebrations", including normal police without any consequences.

Apparently when they've been sent in to quell uprisings by poorly trained, poorly paid conscripts who've refused to do something they've done well, but when they've been deployed into proper combat they've not done so well as basically their "elite" image is largely PR to help with their MP type duties (I think they're seen as a politically "safe" unit who can enforce orders rather than primarily a force for fighting foreign opponents).
 
Rroff said:
Something I was trying to cover in a post just above - a lot of people in this context of throwing people into a war with "basic training" seem to be thinking of phase 1 / 14 weeks which is really all about mental adjustment and training (weapons, etc.) so new recruits aren't a liability around other soldiers - it isn't until they hit Catterick or wherever (depending on the path they go through) where actual combat training begins.
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Combat training also changes and is updated ; going through Catterick 20 years ago, you wouldnt have a clue about how it all works now, even the kit from then to now has changed massively after Afghan (changed during that time as well) as a result of lessons learnt.
 
Harlequin said:
Combat training also changes and is updated ; going through Catterick 20 years ago, you wouldnt have a clue about how it all works now, even the kit from then to now has changed massively after Afghan (changed during that time as well) as a result of lessons learnt.
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I'd swear basic training was only 6 weeks about 20 years ago - which is about as long as I've had anything remotely to do with the armed forces.
 
Rroff said:
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I'd swear basic training was only 6 weeks about 20 years ago - which is about as long as I've had anything remotely to do with the armed forces.
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Its 14 weeks at Pirbright - 2 x 7 week terms then another 12 in Yorkshire (for Infantry)

 
Rroff said:
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I'd swear basic training was only 6 weeks about 20 years ago - which is about as long as I've had anything remotely to do with the armed forces.
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Don’t think basic training has ever been 6 weeks, certainly wasn’t 6 when I went through in 1996, 12 weeks for me if I remember rightly, then another 20 weeks trade training
 
woppy101 said:
Don’t think basic training has ever been 6 weeks, certainly wasn’t 6 when I went through in 1996, 12 weeks for me if I remember rightly, then another 20 weeks trade training
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Just realised why I was thinking that - it was "6 weeks worth of training condensed into 6 days" - at the time I took it to mean basic training was 6 weeks and it stuck in my mind.
 
US Infantry training is 16 weeks , at which point they are considered ready for deployment (training at Forty Benning is something they call One Station Unit Training)


Conscription started Feb 28th 2022 - which means the first intake will be combat deployable in June (just in time for the announced offensive)

and Ukraine now follow US training....

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StriderX said:
When's the Lend Lease signing and why is it so late in the day...
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"President Biden is scheduled to sign into law Monday afternoon a bill that would expedite the process of sending military aid to Ukraine, as the Eastern European country presses into its third month of fighting off a Russian invasion.

The House passed the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 last month on a 417-to-10 vote. Only a few weeks before, the Senate had passed it unanimously, a rare and overwhelming show of bipartisanship in today’s bitterly divided Congress."
 
Personally I think Russia is recalculating and being a damp one is because this is a strategic pause at leadership level - but what the outcome might be I dunno. I'm guessing they are in a position where they are realising have to make a choice between going all in or accepting the reality the situation is unsustainable under the current economic and military posture.
 
Rroff said:
Very strange situation - people with access to decent satellite imagery say there is no evidence of it being hit or sunk near where claimed, being hit or sunk not backed up by any government or agency, etc. but also no OSINT sources, etc. have been able to find its current position - it seems to have vanished.

There are also verified sources for there being some kind of emergency situation at Sevastopol port around that time but no evidence of emergency communications, etc. in line with a military ship being under attack or sunk.

EDIT: I wonder if something else has happened to it, being covered up by muddying the waters, crew mutiny, some kind of live fire incident involving another nation, etc. etc.
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Just to come back to this the original claim came from some telegram post AFAIK not any official Ukrainian claim and the Ukrainians have denied claiming they'd sunk it AFAIK.

I think what has happened here is that the rumour started then OSINT types have noticed the activity around that area, reports of helicopters being sent etc.. when in actual fact those were in relation to Snake Island not this claimed hit on a ship - for example, the footage of the TB2 blowing up a helicopter on the island, that was after the air defence system and the boats had been hit so was likely on a rescue mission.

Rroff said:
Something I find a bit confusing though - Ukraine claimed Russia had basically levelled all the structures on the island early on in this war - which doesn't appear to be the case.
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This might be another case of social media posts being conflated, IIRC there were some claims of the troops definitely telling the Russian warship to **** off then all being bombarded and killed but in actual fact, they told it to **** off then were later captured and released, there was footage a few weeks back of one of them meeting Zelensky for example.
 
has anyone figured out why this war is happening after all? It doesnt make any sense whatsoever. The real reason behind it, honestly i have read so much and still cant figure out.
 
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