Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Just saw a video of russian soldiers killing two civilians by shooting them in the back after asking them for cigarettes.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there's no way they can win in Ukraine except for levelling the place.

The people will never want them there. Don't know how blind the russian leadership is.

Can't see any scenario where this ends well for Russia, they might as well call it a success and **** off back to pre invasion borders.
 
B&W said:
Can't see any scenario where this ends well for Russia, they might as well call it a success and **** off back to pre invasion borders.
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It wont end there though, Ukraine has already stated that it will no longer negotiate and will not settle for pre-invasion(2022) borders, they fully intend on pushing them back until they have full integrity of their pre-2014 borders.
 
steve45 said:
It wont end there though, Ukraine has already stated that it will no longer negotiate and will not settle for pre-invasion(2022) borders, they fully intend on pushing them back until they have full integrity of their pre-2014 borders.
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Seeing as they didn't have any ability to contest up until now it's not hard to see why.

Won't get any better than being bankrolled and gifted vast amounts of hardware by the west.
 
steve45 said:
It wont end there though, Ukraine has already stated that it will no longer negotiate and will not settle for pre-invasion(2022) borders, they fully intend on pushing them back until they have full integrity of their pre-2014 borders.
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Good. As they should.
 
B&W said:
Can't see any scenario where this ends well for Russia, they might as well call it a success and **** off back to pre invasion borders.
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The way things are going and the reports of them pulling stuff out of Syria, etc. they are less than 6 months from having to make some hard decisions on either going all in (and basically turning the country into North Korea) or fully retreating. Neither of those unfortunately likely have a good ending.
 
steve45 said:
It wont end there though, Ukraine has already stated that it will no longer negotiate and will not settle for pre-invasion(2022) borders, they fully intend on pushing them back until they have full integrity of their pre-2014 borders.
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Would Russia defend Crimea as part of its own territory though?

If so and Ukraine conceivably capture it in the future would they implement there nuclear doctrine?

I would guess depends on who is charge, that's what I think.

Realistically can't see Russia giving up Crimea though.
 
I have to say Crimea doesn't seem like good value as an objective for Ukraine aside from some strategy interest (i.e. Sevastopol) and the fact that Russia stole it - it seems like a money pit, has significantly more pro-Russian population than the rest of Ukraine and will be exceedingly costly for Ukraine to assault if Russia puts up any real defence.
 
If Ukraine can recapture their coastline they could effectively have free reign to bomb the bridge that connects Crimea to Russia and re-dam the Canal supplying the Crimea peninsula again turning the place into a desert.

It would not be in Russia's financial interest to keep the place supplied but with all their new equipment I think they would have a good shot at recapturing it once everything else is retaken.
 
BowdonUK said:
It was good to see the signing of a security pact between UK and Sweden - Finland.

It is good to get on the front foot so red lines are drawn.

I hope that a European country make a similar security pact with Moldova.
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It also means we won’t get ‘nil points’ this year :D
 
CaneyJ said:
If Ukraine can recapture their coastline they could effectively have free reign to bomb the bridge that connects Crimea to Russia and re-dam the Canal supplying the Crimea peninsula again turning the place into a desert.
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I think that would be the best option - it would become a millstone around Russia's neck, a perminant drain upon them.
 
B&W said:
Just saw a video of russian soldiers killing two civilians by shooting them in the back after asking them for cigarettes.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there's no way they can win in Ukraine except for levelling the place.

The people will never want them there. Don't know how blind the russian leadership is.

Can't see any scenario where this ends well for Russia, they might as well call it a success and **** off back to pre invasion borders.
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That video and the extended version leave no doubt that was murder plain and simple. Lot of Russian bots calling it a false flag and staged on Twitter :rolleyes:
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
That video and the extended version leave no doubt that was murder plain and simple. Lot of Russian bots calling it a false flag and staged on Twitter :rolleyes:
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How long until our local shills are here to do the same? Or the usual but...but...an American soldier shot a Vietnamese woman in 1968!
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
That video and the extended version leave no doubt that was murder plain and simple. Lot of Russian bots calling it a false flag and staged on Twitter :rolleyes:
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It's interesting that CNN do not censor the video and show the full footage in their feed, whilst BBC version is heavily edited to not show the brutality of war - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61425025 I honestly believe people should be shown the reality whether they like it or not in able to grasp the full of scope what exactly is happening in this war, can you imagine if we never got to see Holocaust images because they were too "graphic" it would completely dampen just how horrific it actually was and how we should learn from not repeating again
 


In total 73 Russian equipment were destroyed/abandoned, including a BTG worth of AFVs failed at the failed Russian Siverskyi Donets river crossing near Bilohorivka

That must set a record for modern day military losses
 
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