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Given his posting history and attitudes to Russia and the west, I think Arek was being more than a bit sarcastic there :p

You make me sound like a Russia fanboi...

Doesnt stack up when I call for armament of EU to a world super-power level.

I dont agree with current western (USA) primarily foreign policy, since its insanely hypocritical, self-centered, corrupt and way worse than anything Russia has done in past 20 years.

Even on Ukraine, EU has a far more balanced approach even with pressure from USA.

If that pressure wouldn't exist, maybe we`d actually practice "REAL" democracy and let the locals decide what they want to do in an enforced democratic vote (you can read about this few pages back).

Hold recognized referendums in Crimea and Donbass and let people decide what they want. Stopping this insane bloodshed for no reason.

Currently, USA and Russia are having a hissy fit at each-other at cost of thousands of lives in EUROPE.

We cant tell anything to USA because they own us, and we are too small to tell Russia anything.

EU is worlds largest economy for god sake, our army should be strong enough to grab both USA and Russia by their ears and pull them aside for a strong word and if that isnt enough, a kick in the arse to follow.

At the moment, we cant even write a "strong worded letter"
 
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^^ Was some news floating around about 5 hours ago about not sticking to the agreed 2%.

Under investment in the armed forces right now is a very bad move IMO and might (though I sincerely hope not) come back to bite us in the rear.

It always does. It's the first to be cut as people don't complain as much as welfare, the NHS and police. Out of sight and out of mind, until we need them of course.
 
There are no good guys in this, just people getting killed and people's lives destroyed for political reasons. Stay out of it.

Id argue a nation struggling to deffend itself from a rebellion thats being stoked by a neighbouring country and having had a large chunk of its territory seized militarily; is by default the "good guys" worthy of assistance.

What happens if a UK "advisor" is captured, injured or killed?

Similiar to MH17. The international community would pour on more sanctions and condemnation of Russia, they wouldnt be stupid enough to allow this to happen.
 
Russia is now demanding prepayment at inflated prices for its gas for the EU. Sanctions and prices must be hitting harder than expected.
Interesting turn of events.
 
Or they know they have the EU over a barrel on gas and they are going to teach us a lesson for doing our PR sanctions, /shrug.

hmmm they dont actually. 30% of gas imports for the EU are russian and since they threatened to cut the gas off a few years ago we have been installing a better pan Europe supply system and increasing the number LNG terminals in preparation for such a eventuality to receive shipments from elsewhere.

8 in the EU, with 2 more coming online this year. It's also been a short/mild winter and our gas supply is actually pretty full... at a time where there is a gas glute on the market, and its not Russian.

Again, the main worry has been the baltics but one of those terminals opening this year is in lithuania.
 
Western sanctions are an act of war, we're effectively trying to destroy Russia economically, you don't honestly expect Russia not to fight fire with fire do you?

I suppose you could argue that the BRICS banking system and bypassing the US Dollar during trade was an act of war against the US/western banking system... but why should the rest of the world be forced to trade in US Dollars and not their own currencies (which is more beneficial to them) with threat of economic sanctions or military intervention if they don't? is any country free under such a system?

Anyone who still thinks this conflict is purely about Russia invading Ukraine needs to research more.

Here's some back story for those of you who still get all of your 'facts' from mainstream media:
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...onism-kills-post-coup-ukraine-one-year-later/
 
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Western sanctions are an act of war, we're effectively trying to destroy Russia economically, you don't honestly expect Russia not to fight fire with fire do you?
No they are not. Lets nip that in the bud straight away. Again, a poor fallacy.
I can use the example of Brazil imposing sanctions on the USA in 2010. Or french sanctions on british beef well after the fact of being declared safe...they weren't declaring war. It is not an act of war. It is a economic sanction for economic or political gain.

And Again, I'm not saying it was unexpected or they are to blame. I'm just saying its a interesting development and smacks of desperation.


I suppose you could argue that the BRICS banking system and bypassing the US Dollar during trade was an act of war against the US/western banking system... but why should the rest of the world be forced to trade in US Dollars and not their own currencies (which is more beneficial to them) with threat of economic sanctions or military intervention if they don't? is any country free under such a system?
You still haven't replied to any of my previous posts in regards to your pet topic. You are spouting rubbish.

http://www.swift.com/about_swift/shownews?param_dcr=news.data/en/swift_com/2013/PR_RMB_september.xml

US Dollar only holds a lead in trading due to the fact it is a highly stable currency, however many other countries currencies are traded and in fact the Euro is used more in world payment currencies.

Anyone who still thinks this conflict is purely about Russia invading Ukraine needs to research more.
I suggest you consider your own advice.

Mr Joshua said:
This seems to be quickly becoming a very serious issue but immensely fascinating to watch, one wonders how it will all be resolved.
Agreed.
 
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Or they know they have the EU over a barrel on gas and they are going to teach us a lesson for doing our PR sanctions, /shrug.

If I was them I'd have done it in the Autumn and not just as Spring is about to start. I don't blame them for this though - it's quite bizarre to think that Russia has effectively declared war on Ukraine, and yet is still supplying them with gas to heat their homes. I'm sure Europe can get some alternatives set up in 9 months if it really tried, part of the problem has been the general level of optimism in a lot of EU capitals that Russia will see sense, back off and everything can go back to normal.
 
You do realise that sheer land mass has nothing to do with power right? Britain is economically far stronger than Russia for a start. The only benefit Russia has is that it's population is about double that of the UK. Yes it has a large army but much of it is in disrepair and poorly trained. Politically it is isolated but it does have a lot of power there, more than the UK? Maybe, but not much more.

There are many facets of "power", geographic extent is a long way down the list.

Come on, wake up for Gods sake.

A relatively rich tiny country with nuclear strike capability vs a huge less well funded country with massive nuclear strike capability?

Please don't even go there, UK hasn't got a chance in hell against Russia.

Diplomacy is the ONLY way forward.
 
That was my intention, though I do note a change of tack in your posts recently and will watch with interest...

I am behind what is right. Now lets have a quick look of events in Ukraine and a bit more of related activities.

- Countries including west, sign a pact which dictates that Yanukovich will step down in couple months and elections will be held.

- Euromaidan storms government by force, ignoring all previous reached and recognized agreements --- West Supports.

- Euromaidan leaders remove Yanukovich unconstitutionally (not enough votes reached) and this is all under essentially pro-right activists being inside Rada --West Supports

- First law new government tries to push through is to remove Russian language along with other anti-russian - soviet ideologies -- West is Silent.

- Temproary government wants to sign EU deal way before elections took place -- West Supports

- Nuland caught talking about who they should place as a leader of Ukraine.

- Communist party is banned from Rada. (Undemocratic) -- West is Silent

- East demands Federalization (not independence, federalization), Ukranian government sends troops to put them down -- West Supports

- Crimean crisis happens, elections are held, observers from all over the world are invited to take part -- West flips poo.

- No one denies that vast majority of Crimea voted in Pro-Russian favor -- West flips poo.

- Russian equipment in Ukraine - West flips poo

- Ukranian equipment BUK-1 along with Crew in Georgian war -- West Supports.

- Russia demands elections to be held in Donbass, Rebels do want Independence though -- Ukraine says that this is unacceptable and West Supports

- Ukraine + West demands total surrender of "Terrorists" total control of border and then MAYBE, SOMEHOW people of the east will get their say. -- West says that this is how its supposed to be.

- This is given that idea of just federalization has made Kiev to send in troops, what chances do people of Donbass of actually getting independence? Also given Crimean history, when those too, wanted independence but where shuffled to the side in the 90`s.

- Countless of falsified satellite pictures, media pictures painting Russians as the bad guys, with vast majority being completely disproved the latest one of congress guy showing some totally unrelated pictures.

- Russia not to be trusted at all, rich coming from a country which sent Collin Powell to the UN with falsified evidence concerning about Iraq... No one has been tried for falsification of evidence that has lead to thousands of deaths, "poo happens".

- Libya, UN granted of No-Fly-Zone, ended up bombing everything from the skies, launching tomahawks, SAS on the ground (boots on the ground) mission called total success and in compliance with UN. Libya is a total mess right now, protesters are shot in the squares, 2nd war going on... -- Who cares.

- Georgian war, Russia invades a small country for no reason just to feed its soviet appetite -- few years later, EU investigation confirms that Russians had the right to do what they did.

- EU says that supplying weapons is totally wrong way to solve a crisis -- we send military advisers, Americans are sending "non-lethal" weaponry.

- Russia blamed for using the gas supplying as leverage, blamed for forcing Ukraine to Pre-Pay for supplies, when its well known that Ukraine ran massive debt for the supplies and been caught red handed stealing gas -- Russia is a bad bad and vile being, keep in mind... Russia is not refusing to supply gas, all its saying that it must be paid for and not free.. (crazy right?)

- Ukraine cuts off electricity, water to Crimea - Nothing Wrong.

- Countless sanctions on Russia, talking of switching off SWIFT which would paralyze whole financial system.

- Gas from Russia keeps flowing to both UKRAINE and EU, barely any talks of cutting it off to EU as a response for the sanctions.

- Ukraine PM threatens to shut down the gas pipeline which supplies gas from Russia to the Europe.

And to just sum it up from History.

- Nuclear Missiles in Turkey - Beacon of Democracy projected on the world of freedom.

- Nuclear Missiles in Cuba - Empire of pure Evil trying to destroy the whole world.
 
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Come on, wake up for Gods sake.

A relatively rich tiny country with nuclear strike capability vs a huge less well funded country with massive nuclear strike capability?

Please don't even go there, UK hasn't got a chance in hell against Russia.

Diplomacy is the ONLY way forward.

So now we are talking about nuclear war only?
 
This seems to be quickly becoming a very serious issue but immensely fascinating to watch, one wonders how it will all be resolved.

The EU and NATO will continue to write strongly worded letters to Putin telling him how naughty he is despite the Ukranian mess being of their making.

Putin will continue doing whatever he wants. Because he can and because the West can't stop him apart from throwing a nuke. Which we won't do as anyone with a working brain cell knows that throwing one nuke will cause a full theatre wide nuclear exchange and we'll all be ******.
 
I am behind what is right. Now lets have a quick look of events in Ukraine and a bit more of related activities.

Yes lets....

- Countries including west, sign a pact which dictates that Yanukovich will step down in couple months and elections will be held.
Yanukovich using riot police on the protestors triggered them to call for his resignation. "Mr. Yanukovych called for calm after the clashes and declared he would never use force to disperse a peaceful protest." Yeah right. Any source on this West signed pact?

- Euromaidan storms government by force, ignoring all previous reached and recognized agreements --- West Supports.
Yanukovich fled his post in Ukraine by helicopter to Russia before any storming occured when he realised the game was up after shooting dead protesters?

- Euromaidan leaders remove Yanukovich unconstitutionally (not enough votes reached) and this is all under essentially pro-right activists being inside Rada --West Supports.
The country was left leader-less and so the MPs in parliament were left to pickup the peices: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-begins-building-new-government-9147465.html#

- First law new government tries to push through is to remove Russian language along with other anti-russian - soviet ideologies -- West is Silent.
Nope. Yanukovich introduced a law in 2012 allowing the Russian language to be officially used in Ukraine, this simply reverted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

- Temproary government wants to sign EU deal way before elections took place -- West Supports.
Have a read of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_relations "In May 2010, President Viktor Yanukovych promised to adopt in June 2010" so they wanted to do what was promised? Right.

LOL which one of your pro-Putin blogs/sites did you copy/paste all that propaganda from? I cant even be bothered to go through the rest of it. Whats all this "West Supports" stuff? As opposed to what exactly?
 
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