Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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24-May-2022 09:02:01 - *Russian Security Council Secretary Patrushev: Russia’s Military Operation in Ukraine Will Reach Its Goals, It’s Not Chasing Deadlines — IFAX

24-May-2022 09:02:14 - *U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks: Confident Finland, Sweden Will Be Able to Resolve Turkish Concerns for NATO Membership
24-May-2022 09:10:20 - *Moldovan Ex-President Igor Dodon Detained on Tuesday Morning — Moldova’s Prosecutor General Quoted As Saying by Local Media
24-May-2022 09:22:35 - *Vice Chair of Dodon’s Party of Sociailists Confirms Dodon Detention

24-May-2022 09:08:12 - *Jailed Kremlin Critic Navalny Tells Russian Court: The War in Ukraine Is Built on Lies
24-May-2022 09:11:08 - *Jailed Kremlin Critic Navalny Tells Russian Court: This War in Ukraine Is Putin’s ‘Stupid War’

24-May-2022 09:14:02 - *Japan PM Kishida to Australia PM Albanese: There Is Increasing Need to Strengthen Our Partnership to Realise Free and Open Indo-Pacific
24-May-2022 09:15:06 - *Kishida to Albanese: Japan and Australia Need to Strengthen Alliance via Economic Collaboration, Defence, Cooperation on Global Issues
24-May-2022 09:17:33 - *Australia PM Albanese: See Areas of Cooperation With Japan in National Security and Defence Issues, Also Opportunities to Collaborate on LNG, Green Hydrogen
24-May-2022 09:18:09 - *Australia PM Albanese to Kishida: Would Like to See High Speed Rail in Australia
24-May-2022 09:18:31 - *Australia PM Albanese to Kishida: We Will Continue to See More Cooperation, Fundamental Stance of Foreign Policy Hasn’t Changed With Change of Govt
24-May-2022 09:24:39 - *Australia’s Albanese to Kishida: I Congratulate You and Your Government on the Strong Action You Have Taken Against Russia’s Outrageous Atrocities

24-May-2022 09:30:00 - *German Economy Ministry Sources: Germany Must Be Able to Significantly Reduce Gas in Power Production
24-May-2022 09:30:00 - *German Economy Ministry Sources: Germany to Set Up a Gas Replacement Reserve With Coal in Power Generation Sector to Run Until March 31, 2024
24-May-2022 09:30:00 - *German Economy Ministry Sources: New Measures Do Not Change Plan to Complete Exit From Coal by 2030
24-May-2022 09:30:00 - *German Economy Ministry Sources: Coal Plants to Be Activated Only in a Gas Emergency to Limit CO2 Emissions

24-May-2022 09:30:58 - *Spain’s PM Sanchez: Sweden and Finland Will Attend NATO Summit in Madrid Next Month

 

[peterwalkley]

Is there anything from Turkey on the blockade topic ? That Times story seems moot if Turkey are still not allowing any warships through the Bosporus.

 

[Mr Jack]

Is there anything from Turkey on the blockade topic ? That Times story seems moot if Turkey are still not allowing any warships through the Bosporus.

Turkey's blockade applies to ships/nations party to the conflict.

 

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24-May-2022 09:57:58 - *Russia’s Top Carmaker Avtovaz Will Start Production in Early June — RIA
24-May-2022 09:59:34 - *Jehovah’s Witnesses: Dennis Christensen Has Been Released From Russian Prison

24-May-2022 10:09:57 - *German Chancellor Scholz: It Is Necessary to Increase Global Fuel Supply — Deutsche Welle
24-May-2022 10:09:57 - *German Chancellor Scholz: We Are Trying to Convince Countries That Are Exploring Oil and Gas to Increase Their Capacities — Deutsche Welle

24-May-2022 10:10:07 - *Finland’s Foreign Minister Haavisto: We Are Sending Our Delegations to Visit Ankara, Both Sweden and Finland

24-May-2022 09:08:12 - *Jailed Kremlin Critic Navalny Tells Russian Court: The War in Ukraine Is Built on Lies
24-May-2022 09:11:08 - *Jailed Kremlin Critic Navalny Tells Russian Court: This War in Ukraine Is Putin’s ‘Stupid War’

24-May-2022 10:10:50 - *Russian Court Upholds 9-Year Jail Term for Kremlin Critic Alexei Navalny

 

[peterwalkley]

Turkey's blockade applies to ships/nations party to the conflict.

I thought the block applied to all war ships, but the articles I'm seeing all date from February/early March and so I'm not sure what the current situation is.

 

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I thought the block applied to all war ships, but the articles I'm seeing all date from February/early March and so I'm not sure what the current situation is.

Nothing on it from Turkey, think the UK is still formulating a plan based on what we heard earlier from the UK Transport Minister.

via RTRS

Will be sure to post if I see any mention of it.

24-May-2022 10:05:49 - *EU’s von Der Leyen: Playbook of Russia’s Aggression Comes Straight out Of Another Century
24-May-2022 10:06:39 - *EU’s von Der Leyen: Ukraine “Must Win This War”
24-May-2022 10:06:46 - *EU’s von Der Leyen: Putin’s Aggression Must Be A Strategic Failure
24-May-2022 10:19:14 - *EU’s von Der Leyen: Russia Is Weaponising Food Supplies With Global Repercussions
https://youtu.be/dGFhjXA-wlQ

 

[Hagar]

Sink the lot of them russkies warships off Odessa, enough with the blockade. Africa will starve to death if this continues, pepper them with Harpoons from like everywhere. They have gone too far already

Russia does not really care if half the world starves. They have done the same to their own people many times.
In addition to your hit list, I would take a few yachts out and deep six them in the med as diving reefs.

 

[RobHu]

It sounds really desperate for Ukraine in the east at the moment. I've seen a couple of reports (read: unsubstantiated tweets) that Russian jets are operating directly over some of the towns being contested, which would seem to indicate there isn't much in the way of air defence there? I wonder if the vast majority of what they have left is covering the larger cities and they can't spare any for the eastern frontline (other than MANPADS I guess, but those are mostly useless against jets by all accounts).

Sink the lot of them russkies warships off Odessa, enough with the blockade. Africa will starve to death if this continues, pepper them with Harpoons from like everywhere. They have gone too far already

I think it's not that simple, as they have quite a few subs in the black sea (don't get me wrong I'm game for those being sunk also!).

 

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24-May-2022 10:30:00 - *Germany’s DIHK Chambers of Commerce Expects Inflation to Reach 7% In 2022
24-May-2022 10:30:00 - *Germany’s DIHK Survey of 25,000 Companies Shows 39% of All Firms Want to Pass Cost Increases on To Customers
24-May-2022 10:30:00 - *Germany’s DIHK Lowers 2022 GDP Growth Forecast to 1.5% (Vs 3% in February Forecast)

24-May-2022 10:30:00 - *Kremlin: It Hasn’t yet Seen Italian Peace Plan for Ukraine, Hopes to Receive It Through Diplomatic Channels
24-May-2022 10:30:00 - *Kremlin: Concerned by Reported Detention of Pro-Russian Ex-President Dodon in Moldova

24-May-2022 10:45:03 - *Former Modlovan President Dodon Has Not Been Detained but Is Present at Search by Investigators — Socialist Party Official
24-May-2022 10:35:58 - *Polish President Duda: If Ukraine War Causes Food Shortages in Africa, This Will Cause Huge Migration Problem in Southern Europe

24-May-2022 10:45:17 - *NATO’s Stoltenberg: Confident Allies Will Be Able to Address All Concerns Related to Enlargement
24-May-2022 10:52:12 - *NATO’s Stoltenberg: Trade With China Has Great Benefits, but Comes With Huge Security Concerns
24-May-2022 10:54:21 - *NATO’s Stoltenberg: Putin Has Not Achieved His Strategic Goals in Ukraine and Instead Gets NATO Expansion on His Borders
24-May-2022 10:55:08 - *NATO’s Stoltenberg: Confident We Will Be Able to Welcome Finland and Sweden to Our Alliance
24-May-2022 10:56:15 - *NATO’s Stoltenberg: We Have to Sit Down With Turkey and Address Its Concerns, Confident That Will Succeed
https://youtu.be/_K3j7maK1Zw

 

[dowie]

I thought the block applied to all war ships, but the articles I'm seeing all date from February/early March and so I'm not sure what the current situation is.

Yeah that’s what I thought (save for ships from Black Sea nations IF their home port is in the Black Sea).

I guess Turkey would have to agree/change the rules re the blockade.

Turns out Russia has a workaround it can use for some vessels (smaller navy ships and maybe submarines) it has a bunch of inland waterways connecting the Baltic Sea, White Sea, Black Sea and Caspian Sea.

 

[Mr Jack]

I thought the block applied to all war ships, but the articles I'm seeing all date from February/early March and so I'm not sure what the current situation is.

Article 19 of the Montreux Convention (which is, as I understand it, the relevant article of the treaty) says:

In time of war, Turkey not being belligerent, warships shall enjoy complete freedom of transit and
navigation through the Straits under the same conditions as those laid down in Articles 10 to 18.

Vessels of war belonging to belligerent Powers shall not, however, pass through the Straits except in
cases arising out of the application of Article 25 of the present Convention, and in cases of assistance
rendered to a State victim of aggression in virtue of a treaty of mutual assistance binding Turkey,
concluded within the framework of the Covenant of the League of Nations, and registered and
published in accordance with the provisions of Article 18 of the Covenant.

In the exceptional cases provided for in the preceding paragraph, the limitations laid down in Articles
10 to 18 of the present Convention shall not be applicable.

Notwithstanding the prohibition of passage laid down in paragraph 2 above, vessels of war belonging
to belligerent Powers, whether they are Black Sea Powers or not, which have become separated from
their bases, may return thereto.

Vessels of war belonging to belligerent Powers shall not make any capture, exercise the right of visit
and search, or carry out any hostile act in the Straits.​

I've emphasised what I think are the relevant sections: only "belligerent powers" - which at this time means only Russia and Ukraine - are excluded, warships of other nations may continue to pass unhindered under the usual terms of the convention.

 

[MagicBoy]

I still don't understand how all the supposed civilised countries in the world can ship arms and humanitarian aid and think that is enough.

Otherwise it's WW3 and the nukes come out. ‍<insert facepalm gif here>

 

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24-May-2022 11:00:41 - *Russia’s Defence Minister: Russia’s Offensive in Ukraine Is Deliberately Slowing Down to Allow Civilians to Evacuate — RIA

24-May-2022 11:10:04 - *U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry: We Must Not Use Ukraine Crisis As Excuse to Build out Fossil Fuel Infrastructure
24-May-2022 11:10:39 - *U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry: Coal Use Has Gone Up 9% Over the Past Year
24-May-2022 11:12:55 - *U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry: We Can Win All These Battles, Including in Ukraine and Against Climate Crisis

24-May-2022 11:14:01 - *Indian Oil Minister: Oil Price at 110$/Barrel Is Not Sustainable

 

[dowie]

I've emphasised what I think are the relevant sections: only "belligerent powers" - which at this time means only Russia and Ukraine - are excluded, warships of other nations may continue to pass unhindered under the usual terms of the convention.

That isn’t what they’ve actually done/announced though. Their current position is that they’ve blocked all warships.

How Turkey Blocking Russia From The Black Sea Harms Neutral States

Turkey has implemented an international law to block Russian warships from entering the Black Sea. But it's blocking neutral warships too—and its actions could ignite tensions in the region.

www.forbes.com

 

[KompuKare]

Sink the lot of them russkies warships off Odessa, enough with the blockade. Africa will starve to death if this continues, pepper them with Harpoons from like everywhere. They have gone too far already

Thing is, the blockade is mostly of last years crop, isn't it?

This years crop will be far, far lower as the most fertile parts are where the Russians are attacking the most. Between the fertile soil and petrochemical resources, it seems Russia intends to annex all the best parts of the country.

 

[Hook]

It sounds really desperate for Ukraine in the east at the moment. I've seen a couple of reports (read: unsubstantiated tweets) that Russian jets are operating directly over some of the towns being contested, which would seem to indicate there isn't much in the way of air defence there? I wonder if the vast majority of what they have left is covering the larger cities and they can't spare any for the eastern frontline (other than MANPADS I guess, but those are mostly useless against jets by all accounts).

They did shoot down a Russian jet yesterday (or two days) ago.

 

[Hook]

Yeah that’s what I thought (save for ships from Black Sea nations IF their home port is in the Black Sea).

I guess Turkey would have to agree/change the rules re the blockade.

Turns out Russia has a workaround it can use for some vessels (smaller navy ships and maybe submarines) it has a bunch of inland waterways connecting the Baltic Sea, White Sea, Black Sea and Caspian Sea.

Erdogan would only agree if he got something big in exchange?

 

[supafly]

Otherwise it's WW3 and the nukes come out. ‍<insert facepalm gif here>

With that logic Russia can invade the whole of Europe and beyond.

 

[Scougar]

Crazy stuff being said on Russian State media:. "Either we win, or humanity losses". Basically saying else we use nukes. They really amping their sabre rattling game.

 

[dowie]

Probs be more of that if they’re aiming to grab and hold a chunk of the east + south east. Ukraine is hoping to go in the offensive in a couple of months but I guess Russia might want to hold ground and try to scare off any international support, push for a settlement involving Ukraine giving up the chunk of territory Russia holds at that point.