Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ave-been-accidentally-published-10472603.html

Russia accidentally releases casualty figures for its troops fighting in eastern Ukraine, despite denying that they are there; 2,000 dead, 3,200 injured.

Some of the comments are quite wonderful. Some of them have such bad spelling and grammar that even me with dyslexia and asperger's syndrome, wince.

That and the level of BS give a little credences to the activity of the supposed misinformation farm. Hopefully sometime in my life time it will all come out in the wash but we shall see
 
Russia accidentally releases casualty figures for its troops fighting in eastern Ukraine, despite denying that they are there; 2,000 dead, 3,200 injured.

Playing devils advocate here, the information was allegedly released and then removed by a Russian financial paper, looking at their website (http://bs-life.ru/) they don't exactly strike me as the type of outfit to be privvy to state secrets. It's entirely possible that they did it deliberately because they knew the attention from the western media would increase their traffic by 5,000,000%...

I know that sounds kind of like an excuse, but be honest with yourself, if this didn't involve Putin then we would all be calling it clickbait.
 
The aren't really many if any Putin fan boys in this thread, the difference is that the anti Putin/Russia guys see the neutral people as pro-Russian because they don't blindly believe everything anti-Russia and choose to question it/require proof.

Except they questioned needless things and didn't accept proof when it was offered. The only thing that would have convinced them is if they were in Ukraine and saw putin ride in shirtless on a bear dual wielding ak's with their own eyes.
Even then some of them would have said it was a body double paid for an the United States or Europe in a smear campaign against innocent old mother Russia.
 
Except they questioned needless things and didn't accept proof when it was offered.

Sorry I never saw that, I just saw legitimate questions asked and flaws in stories pointed out.

E.G when the media ran a story about how Putin MUST be arming the rebels because they had a tank that had never been shipped outside Russia, but in reality it was never shipped outside the USSR and Ukraine was one of the places they were deployed and even built. Anyone who pointed that out got labeled a "Putin apologist" by the anti-Russia boys.
 
Some of the comments are quite wonderful. Some of them have such bad spelling and grammar that even me with dyslexia and asperger's syndrome, wince.

That and the level of BS give a little credences to the activity of the supposed misinformation farm. Hopefully sometime in my life time it will all come out in the wash but we shall see

I guess good spelling and grammer isn't incentivised in Kremlin troll factories.
 
The war against the rebels must be going well for Kiev now as they have turned on their right wing supporters: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyi...utside-parliament-exclusive-video-396905.html

It's usually unwise to fight a war on two fronts so they must be expecting victory in the east or at least that they no longer need the help from the right wing militias.

*EDIT*

Ahh, turns out Russia's moving troops/hardware to Syria to help Assad go full retard on ISIS and the Syrian rebels, Kiev must think Putin is spread too thin to help the Ukrainian rebels now.
 
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The war against the rebels must be going well for Kiev now as they have turned on their right wing supporters: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyi...utside-parliament-exclusive-video-396905.html

It's usually unwise to fight a war on two fronts so they must be expecting victory in the east or at least that they no longer need the help from the right wing militias.

*EDIT*

Ahh, turns out Russia's moving troops/hardware to Syria to help Assad go full retard on ISIS and the Syrian rebels, Kiev must think Putin is spread too thin to help the Ukrainian rebels now.

The politics of this world is bizzare, in Ukraine it's the old East Vs West/ Nato vs Russia and in Syria you have the Americans and Russia's helping Syria fight ISIS.
 
Not bizarre at all, Ukraine is a European cesspit, while Syria is a middle east cesspit.

Naturally no one cares for the latter, so its a free for all.
 
The politics of this world is bizzare, in Ukraine it's the old East Vs West/ Nato vs Russia and in Syria you have the Americans and Russia's helping Syria fight ISIS.

Helping Syria is a bit vague, the US/etc are attacking ISIS and backing the rebels (who they still hope can topple Assad once ISIS is taken care of). Russia/Iran/etc on the other hand are attacking ISIS and the rebels (who they classify as an Al-Qaeda offshoot) while backing Assad (who they hope can regain complete control after ISIS are taken care of).
 
They are called proxy wars and what you hear on the news every day is called propaganda, this thread is a waste of time basically because nobody except those at the top know what is truly going on.
 
No not really, the Korean war involved Chinese soldiers and I think some say that of Vietnam to some extent

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/koreanwar/section6.rhtml
Mao Zedong responded by winding back Chinese aid and ordering the withdrawal of all Chinese personnel from North Vietnam. Russian supplies bound for Hanoi still had to pass through Chinese territory - See more at: http://alphahistory.com/vietnam/chinese-and-soviet-involvement/#sthash.bvonb6je.dpuf
http://alphahistory.com/vietnam/chinese-and-soviet-involvement/
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...syria-conflict-in-ukraine-begins-to-wind-down

I assume its obvious and no coincidence that suddenly the "rebels" are talking about peace and staying part of Ukraine (which was condemned less than 1yr ago) at the same time Russia is beginning its adventure in Syria, no doubt pulling arms/ammo/soldiers from Ukraine. We all said Russia was responsible for fuelling the Ukraine conflict, it appears that has now been confirmed.

Russia; condemning rebels! (Syria)
Or is it: Russia; supporter of rebels (Ukraine)

Which is it?
 
I assume its obvious and no coincidence that suddenly the "rebels" are talking about peace and staying part of Ukraine (which was condemned less than 1yr ago)

If you read the article this isn't sudden at all it's the same thing they have been asked for for some time: autonomous special status for the region, a full amnesty, recognise the rebel forces as a ‘people’s militia’ and gives the region the right to its own cultural policies and special economic relations with Russian regions. And the conflict has been winding down for months, it's just only now the western media has suddenly started reporting on it.


Russia; condemning rebels! (Syria)
Or is it: Russia; supporter of rebels (Ukraine)

Which is it?

Ukrainian rebels and Syrian rebels are not the same thing, just like CocaCola and Tesco Cola are not, it really is two different situations.

I.E the USA are backing Al-Qaeda in Syria against Assad/ISIS yet bombing them in Yemen and other places, because the situation is different.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/19/stalin-portraits-ukraine-rebel-territory

Pro-Russian rebels put up images of mass-murderer Joseph Stalin in Donetsk. Imagine what the Russian media would have made of someone putting up pictures of Hitler in Kiev.

Well Scorza, there are few things to take into consideration.

Stalin is for sure a dubious character but he isnt recognized as the ultimate evil unlike Hitler, whether you like it or not. If I remember correctly, Nazi symbolism is banned in whole of Europe while Soviet (apart from Eastern European countries) is not... Walk in downtown London or NYC with portrait of Stalin and then do same with Hitler and see the reaction.

But lets get away from that, I think we all agree that Nazis were bad right? Well you see, the issue, is that in western Ukraine they are sorta confused... Because their favorite hero "Stepan Bandera"... Lets put aside the whole affiliation with Nazi`s and all that nonsense which Ukranians argue that all that is a total lie... Forget about that.

Lets see in what glorious non-nazi activities did UPA participate.

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish: rzeź wołyńska, literally: Volhynian slaughter; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s North Command in the regions of Volhynia (Reichskommissariat Ukraine) and their South Command in Eastern Galicia (General Government) beginning in March 1943 and lasting until the end of 1944.[4][5][6] The peak of the massacres took place in July and August 1943. Most of the victims were women and children.[4] The actions of the UPA resulted in 35,000-60,000 Polish deaths in Volhynia and 25,000-40,000 in Eastern Galicia.[3][7][8] For other estimates, see the tables below.

In 2008, the massacres committed by the Ukrainian nationalists against ethnic Poles in Volhynia and Galicia were described by Poland's Institute of National Remembrance as bearing the distinct characteristics of a genocide.[13][14]

Women and Children? :eek: Glorious!

Surely one would condemn such organization and their leader? Well,no... not really... They have monuments to him in Lvov, they carried his portrait on Maidan, and remember that red/black flag? Yup, its the flag of UPA. Is it banned? Of-course not!!! Its also the flag of completely legalized political party called "Right-Sector"... Mind you, all soviet emblems are now completely banned in Ukraine.

You also have to understand that there is fundamental difference between Stalin monuments and whole UPA and Bandera worshiping, Stalin monuments do not carry the dangerous and vile ideology of Nationalism and superiority that the UPA and Bandera carried and is so closely tied to Nazism.

Stalin as bad as he is, never said that the Russians were superior race and that the Russians were above all... Quite opposite, there was the whole idea of friendship between ethnicities and moreover, you have to remember that Stalin was Georgian, he always spoke in Russian with a heavy accent. Yes there was behind the scenes gulags and deportations etc, but it wasnt spread onto the common people to hate other ethnicity on contrary it was throwned upon, friendship and tolerance were encouraged, which is opposite to what happened in Nazi-Germany and what is now happening in Ukraine where they hate anything and everything Russian. I`ve seen plenty of interviews on Ukranian TV where they said that its great that Crimea has left because all the "backwards Russians" will no longer pull Ukraine back from its glorious future. All those constant references that Donbass and Crimea were useless regions sucking out money from prosperous Ukraine and actually its quite common to call Donbass "Daunbass" which is pretty much saying "Down-Syndrome Donbass".

In short, there always been statues of "Almost Hitler" in Kiev and Lvov. Its vile that the flag of UPA hasnt been banned and compared to Swastika by law.
 
My partner is Polish and her grandmother spits on the ground at the mere mention of Ukrainians. She told me a story about how her entire village was destroyed by Ukrainian nationalists as part of the Volhynian slaughter and how she had to flee with her mother (father was killed) towards the German lines. They survived after being rescued by German soldiers.
She's a very interesting old lady.
 
My partner is Polish and her grandmother spits on the ground at the mere mention of Ukrainians. She told me a story about how her entire village was destroyed by Ukrainian nationalists as part of the Volhynian slaughter and how she had to flee with her mother (father was killed) towards the German lines. They survived after being rescued by German soldiers.
She's a very interesting old lady.

At that point Ukraine was part of the ussr to my knowledge
 
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