Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Custor said:
Like everyone approach to Turkey.Supply the troops and do as you’re told.
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Turkey wasn't headhunted to NATO for it's military, we wanted to station NATO bases there and missiles that would be close enough to turn Moscow to glass before the Soviets had time to wake anyone with launch authority.
 
Contrary to such views, the offensive is very much underway, with Ukraine simply taking a prudent, risk-averse strategy while it can still easily hit Russian targets far behind the front lines. Unlike Russia, Ukraine actually highly values the lives of its soldiers, a major factor in morale, as Ukrainian soldiers can count on their commanders to not throw their lives away carelessly or needlessly, unlike the clear, callous indifference that permeates Russian command (which I have detailed before). And the very nature of the conflict is now defined by Russia’s inability to produce anything but marginally successful advances (if any progress at all) and Ukraine’s purposeful approach to strike Russian targets one-by-one with precision, distance weapons while keeping its own forces as much out of harm’s way as it can where it can.

And Ukraine can do all this knowing it is and will be getting more and better weapons and equipment from the West as we well as more well-trained Ukrainian troops from an increasing Western series of training missions.

Cutting off a larger enemy force from supplies and reinforcements, and cutting that force into smaller pockets that can be defeated militarily, is an approach that can have spectacular success. Such tactics worked incredibly well for a far smaller Finnish force against two whole Soviet divisions at the battles of Suomussalmi and Raate Road from late November 1939 to early January 1940 during the Soviet-Finnish Winter War within World War II, a conflict I have noted at some length is rife with parallels and lessons for the current Russo-Ukrainian war. In this conjoined pair of battles, nimble Finnish ski troops were able to slice into the columns of Soviet forces that, because of the deep snow and thick woods in the remote wilderness of Finland, were forced to stay near the only roads in the area. The Finns would use the first waves of ski troops to cut the long, road-bound formations into pockets and would then immediately heavily fortify and reinforce where they penetrated the Soviet lines. Cut off from supplies and reinforcements, running out of ammunition and weakened from starvation in these pockets (mottis), two whole Soviet divisions comprising about 50,000 men were destroyed, suffering massive casualties, by just a few thousand Finns, who incurred just a tiny fraction of their foe’s casualties.
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Ukrainian Prudence Meets Russian Limitations: Explaining the Current Pace and Nature of Russia’s War on Ukraine

The factors explaining why things are now happening the way they are happening (Russian/Русский перевод) By Brian E. Frydenborg (Twitter @bfry1981, LinkedIn, Facebook), August 23, 2022; adapted for and published by Small Wars Journal as Russia’s Limits Meet Ukraine’s Discretio
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alchal said:
Does that not tell us how bad things are getting if they are having to move systems from Syria now?
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Especially when the s300 battalion was given for free to Syria as a gift and you know, you can't take back gifts, but here we are, Russia wants its S300s back - totally not because they have run out of them in Ukraine and can't build more due to sanctions, Russia is beating all the sanctions
 
Grim5 said:
Especially when the s300 battalion was given for free to Syria as a gift and you know, you can't take back gifts, but here we are, Russia wants its S300s back - totally not because they have run of them in Ukraine and can't build more due to sanctions, not Russia is beating all the sanctions
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Whats even more amusing is the reports from earlier in the summer that Russia was using the S300's to strike ground targets... I bet they are regretting those decisions now, especially with how inaccurate they are reported to be when used in that role.
 
Grim5 said:
Especially when the s300 battalion was given for free to Syria as a gift and you know, you can't take back gifts, but here we are, Russia wants its S300s back - totally not because they have run of them in Ukraine and can't build more due to sanctions, not Russia is beating all the sanctions
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They were still controlled by Russia and have been effectively useless as they just allow Israel and everybody else to conduct strikes on Syria, so it kind of makes sense to move them to somewhere they may actually get some use
 
Grim5 said:
Russia continues to pull resources abroad back to put into Ukraine

Israeli intelligence reveals that Russia has removed all its S300 systems in Syria to send to Ukraine

www.timesofisrael.com

Russia sends S-300 back home from Syria amid Ukraine invasion, satellite images show

Israeli intelligence firm says air defense system's battery loaded onto Russian ship bound for Black Sea port; Israel reportedly struck nearby on Thursday
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
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I don't think it's all of them but rather it's one S-300 system they're pulling out.
 
steve45 said:
Whats even more amusing is the reports from earlier in the summer that Russia was using the S300's to strike ground targets... I bet they are regretting those decisions now, especially with how inaccurate they are reported to be when used in that role.
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They don't care as long as it kills people.
 
Grim5 said:
Especially when the s300 battalion was given for free to Syria as a gift and you know, you can't take back gifts, but here we are, Russia wants its S300s back - totally not because they have run out of them in Ukraine and can't build more due to sanctions, Russia is beating all the sanctions
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See, what Assad should have done is familiarise himself with the concept of ‘no backsies’ when he first got the S-300’s, the fool. He only has himself to blame.
 
To be fair, only lvl3 ballistic armour will stop an intermediate round like that which he fired in to it at the end. It stopped the pistol round just fine so would be a lvl2 armour.
Just kind of crappy that their armour is essentially a steel plate. That's going to be quite heavy compared to the kevlar and spectra stuff we use in the west.
 
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