Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Status
Not open for further replies.
The steel plate only just stops the pistol round. It is very close to breaking through. Most people aren't shooting pistols at each other, so it's pointless. The fighter would most likely be more effective in combat not wearing armour than being encumbered by that.
 
Scougar said:
What are the UKR waiting for with regard to the Kherson push?
Click to expand...

Armchair general opinion - Ukraine are playing for time, why push too much when they can demoralise Russia with heavy losses (defending is always easier than attacking).

More time means more supply lines bringing weapons in, and more capability for long range attacks from HIMARS and their other mobile artillery. More training for their troops in general, more chance to get training on better NATO spec kit etc.

Pushing into Kherson could be very costly in terms of lives even if prepared to do it right now, it's better to force as many Russians to leave as possible by making re-supply hard. Winter is setting in as well in the not too distant future.

This is just my armchair general opinion though, I think Ukraine have mainly got a "hold the line" mentality right now.
 
The thing that I think will potentially wind up making a difference in general here in this conflict is that Ukraine isn't wasteful with it's troops. The ones fighting now will be getting experience, and Ukraine will do what it can to preserve as many lives as possible, though losses are a fact of war.

Russia seems more willing to throw it's troops in to the meat grinder, and a dead troop is not just the soldier, but all of their skill/training/experience as well, assuming they had much of that to begin with.

It takes time to train up troops, and you can lose that time and resource spent very easily when not handled properly.
 
Gregvivi0401 said:
HungryHippos said:
Armchair general opinion - Ukraine are playing for time, why push too much when they can demoralise Russia with heavy losses (defending is always easier than attacking).

More time means more supply lines bringing weapons in, and more capability for long range attacks from HIMARS and their other mobile artillery. More training for their troops in general, more chance to get training on better NATO spec kit etc.

Pushing into Kherson could be very costly in terms of lives even if prepared to do it right now, it's better to force as many Russians to leave as possible by making re-supply hard. Winter is setting in as well in the not too distant future.

This is just my armchair general opinion though, I think Ukraine have mainly got a "hold the line" mentality right now.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

I really hope they don't have the hold the line as their end-goal. They have to push as they are losing ground slowly in the East. They have to force Russia to redirect troops from the East so the South IMO.
 
Scougar said:
I had wondered that. If the 10k+ soldiers Britain had been training are going to be the main bulk for this. It feels like they need to take Kherson to make that area easier to defend, and protect Odesa. If they take Kherson, Putin is going to lose a lot of face.
Click to expand...

Taking Kherson would be a huge win, especially if they can keep the east held largely as is.

Would move the front and allow Ukraine to reinforce some areas that need it elsewhere, and use the river as a defensive line.

I'm not really expecting huge border changes for the last quarter of this year though, I think Ukraine will keep on playing for time as long as it benefits them in the war of attrition.
 
Scougar said:
I really hope they don't have the hold the line as their end-goal. They have to push as they are losing ground slowly in the East. They have to force Russia to redirect troops from the East so the South IMO.
Click to expand...

Sure, but eastern front is very slowly losing ground, it's basically not really budged much at all if you zoom out and look at last couple of months.

Every inch lost is paid for with Russian losses, which at present seem fairly unsustainable until Russia mobilises more forces than they are.

I think they aren't using HIMARS much on the eastern front, if they can get delivery of some more of those, and some more ammo for them, then they could hit more ammo dumps on the east as well potentially, which would help slow things down further.
 
At this stage it seems like very little is happening to change borders and they may remain as they are now into the winter and we'll come back next year and kick off the war again after a hibernation. It would be huge if Ukraine can take Kherson in the next 8 weeks but they'd need to launch a big push, not small probes here and there

But at this stage both sides seem content to use WW1 tactics, just digging trenches and lobbing artillery at each other for months at a time - that's what Russian army is designed to for anyway, defence not offence
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom