I've plenty, maybe you missed my contributions. It's not my responsibility to educate your ignorance. In fact, I think it's best we don't respond to each other, I'm not prepared to dig wayyyy down to your level.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I've plenty, maybe you missed my contributions. It's not my responsibility to educate your ignorance. In fact, I think it's best we don't respond to each other, I'm not prepared to dig wayyyy down to your level.
Sorry princess, your first correspondence with me here was a sarcastic one referencing Q/bond. I assumed the banterish nature of your post was an invitation to exchange in fun jibes. However, it seems this just makes you sore. Despite me requesting your heart felt opinions on the topic of discussion, you have instead just shied away. Speaking of which... Where is your outrage in the isis thread at Russia cutting a deal with Isis? I'm surprised by the lack of that from you.
Have it either way you like, just put me on ignore if you wish to not interact with me here. Let it be known, I will miss you if you go. Your posts bring me much joy and light up my day.
EDIT: I'm absolutely pucka gen no jokes Terry Nutkins serious with that last statement. Some of your posts have actually had me balling out laughing aloud.
This is off topic but, the US did sign a deal with Al-Q/Taliban in Afghanistan to end the vast majority of conflict in 2016?
The only problem with said deal is that it did nothing and the Taliban are much more dangerous now than before the occupation.
Anyway, whatever.
The only problem with said deal is that it did nothing and the Taliban are much more dangerous now than before the occupation.
Anyway, whatever.
Because you’ve just set a legal precedent saying military personnel accidentally or unintentionally killing civilians can be tried and jailed. That should have quite a significant effect on drone and aircraft pilots of western forces, if someone (such as relatives) could bring a case against the pilot unintentionally blowing up a wedding party, or another bunch of civilians.
Although to be fair that is one of the reasons countries like the US and Israel aren’t signed up to the Rome Statue.
You keep lumping the west into one yet the nations that make it up adhere to very different ROE. Does Israel class as the west now too?
You're over egging your sudden revelation though. For example, uk rpas units operate under a legal framework with several ladders in the approval process to execute a strike. Simply put, the safety net is there that it wouldn't hold up in court because it could be proven that every step possible was taken to ensure the strike was legal. Should it so happen that a civilian was caught in the strike it would be easy to prove that before the weapon was released it was done so beyond reasonable doubt that it would not cause civilian death. In the case of MH17 being shot down, I'd suspect it would be harder to prove that there was no doubt. I do believe it was mistakenly shot, as opposed to intentionally, but I don't believe the operators took all the necessary steps and precautions to remove all doubt. They're russian after all
Guess how they avoid any of this anyway? Continue to outright deny it, which they are.
You keep lumping the west into one yet the nations that make it up adhere to very different ROE. Does Israel class as the west now too?
You're over egging your sudden revelation though. For example, uk rpas units operate under a legal framework with several ladders in the approval process to execute a strike. Simply put, the safety net is there that it wouldn't hold up in court because it could be proven that every step possible was taken to ensure the strike was legal. Should it so happen that a civilian was caught in the strike it would be easy to prove that before the weapon was released it was done so beyond reasonable doubt that it would not cause civilian death. In the case of MH17 being shot down, I'd suspect it would be harder to prove that there was no doubt. I do believe it was mistakenly shot, as opposed to intentionally, but I don't believe the operators took all the necessary steps and precautions to remove all doubt. They're russian after all
Guess how they avoid any of this anyway? Continue to outright deny it, which they are.
Because generally western countries work together, several of which are the main countries pushing this investigation. It’s an easier comment that listing a dozen countries every post, common parlance. And yes, Israel is normally considered a western nation by most, and would be included either way as a westen backed nation (rightly or wrongly, same with countries like Saudi’s Arabia).
What you’re suggesting there is essentially gross negligence then, rather than (mass) murder (which is what Tefal said, and what the Prosecutors are likely to try and lay), where people normally get a couple of years in prison, not usually something the ICC would chase. Now, presumably if these people were “unlawful combatants” or some similarly named non military personnel not following orders then perhaps heavier charges could be laid, but the investigators are clear they were not, and were Russian military personnel acting on orders (to down military cargo planes planes in the area, not necessarily that specific plane). Remember too that the “rebels” clearly announced that the sky around that area was a no fly zone in an active war zone prior to the incident, something both the Malaysian Airlines and Ukrainian ATC ignored by routing the plane into the area.
Realistically it was a tragic accident caused by a number of critical errors by several different organizations, yet the operators are the only ones being pursued, quite possibly for murder and war crimes. Which seems to suggest unintentionally killing civilians in an active war zone can now be considered murder.
That’s likely to be due to political reasons. While the ICC is a noble cause it has a history of political influence and interference and is considered a tool of western imperialism by many countries now because of its history of those it targets.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.the...an-revolt-international-criminal-court-gambia
So the question is, is the investigation a political tool to try and force the Russian governments hand in the Ukraine? I’d argue in fact yes. Would this same process be used if it were on the other foot, with western backed forces being the cause of dozens of civilian deaths in one go? Almost certainly no.
Lots going on around Ukraine tonight - looks like the Ukraine government is trying to escalate the situation for their own ends and Russia isn't exactly helping.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46338671
Lot more going on than in the BBC link but its all fragmented and conflicting reports at the moment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46338671
Lot more going on than in the BBC link but its all fragmented and conflicting reports at the moment.
Russia blocks Ukraine sea route, rams, shoots at and captures Ukraine ships but it's Ukraine escalating? That's an odd take
Was talking more about what has happened since - they seem to be playing it for all it is worth to try and get international support onside (not that I necessarily blame them) - exact events surrounding the original incident are still somewhat unclear though - some reports say the Ukraine vessels ignored normal protocols for passing through but then other reports say the Russians were ignoring their requests to use normal protocols for no reasonable reason so who knows.
I'm not just talking about protestation because of their navy being attacked but they appear to have been trying to stoke tensions through the evening towards trying to force the international hand.
Well to be fair Trumps response (twitter) seems to be that the European nations need to spend more on defence. Just another nail in the coffin of NATO and one more piece of evidence that a European specific version of NATO is probably a good idea as long as Trump is in power...
Russia's aggressive expansionism continues, but Trump is too weak to lift a finger in response.
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What happened to the Western support they had which started all this mess ?
Much happening in Syria at the moment ?
Well as part of the NATO agreement they agreed to pay 2% of GDP and only about 4 countries do and yet with Brexit we hear all the time the "we need to pay what we've agreed to or nobody will trust us" line but somehow with NATO nobody bats an eyelid at decades of underspending and the US having to pay the difference.
Rather than just paying what they agreed and having US backing, Germany with Merkel on her way out in a few years and Macron who has a far lower approval rating than Trump think it's a good idea to just hand over military power to Brussels.
They are meeting to declare martial law, not to declare war on Russia.
Vote is for emergency measures not a declaration of war.
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I thought Ukraine was already at war with Russia, especially considering that Russia invaded and annexed the Crimean peninsula and are also actively engaged in military operations inside of Eastern Ukraine.
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