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Monkeynut said:
Is this the new plan then, pummel Ukraine with loads of men and old rockets?
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Send men, dont let them back and suddenly you have an area of another country that has russian population that needs saving.. any bordering country is game..

Troops in Belarus could also be to ensure that belarus dont try to break away once ukraine reclaim their lands.
 
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He could simply say the Nazis have all been slaughtered and the Ukraine has paid it's price as in most of the south has been flattened and it's time for us to leave.

Job done.

Some internal politics to take care off and he sits in power for another 3-4 years licking his wounds and priming his successor.
 
Rage1999 said:
I'm asking this question to everyone on here for your thoughts.

If putin uses a tactical nuke in ukraine

Do you think NATO will respond with force? Or just leave things as they are as they aren't part of nato?
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More sanctions but unlikely any direct military action, that would mean WW3 as it puts NATO in direct conflict with Russia which no one wants.

Basically he would get away with it and I think he knows it, he already took Crimea and is currently invading Ukraine, he has previously attacked civilian's in NATO countries and what happened then, you could argue chemical attacks on NATO and still nothing.
 
This is pretty encouraging, granted maybe some issues with data collection as someone mentioned in the comments - advancing forces = more photos of destroyed enemy equipment, however it was a decent enough ratio back at the start when Russia was initially invaded 3.77:1, dropped a bit to 3.28:1 when they Ukranians got hammered by massive amounts of artillery in the Donbass, now it's like 8.45:1 and even more like 10:1 in terms of artillery and tanks thanks perhaps to HIMARS and M270 and of course the M777, Caesar, Krab etc.

 
Rage1999 said:
If putin uses a tactical nuke in ukraine

Do you think NATO will respond with force?
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Yes but they'd have to be careful to get the balance right, there needs to be a response else you screw things in the long term re: nuclear proliferation... if the lesson to the world is that a nuclear power can just grab territory then blackmail the world and nuke others with no response then the lesson to the likes of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and various others is "you'd better get a nuclear weapons program of your own" as the West will be too timid to do anything.

Could well involve a conventional strike on whatever unit, command centre etc.. was responsible and US/UK will likely rapidly find out where it came from and what the chain of command is for that facility. Could well cause strikes against the Russian fleet in the black sea, Russian air defences in Ukraine and perhaps even things like a no-fly zone imposed.

Obviously, this all risks further escalation/WW3 so the balance needs to be right and no doubt they've both worked through a load of scenarios and have had conversations with Russian literally telling them we will at least do X, Y and Z if you try it etc.. though it might also bring negotiations quite rapidly... ironically if it were to happen now with that sort of NATO response then the negotiated settlement could well be along the lines of Elon Musk's tweets*.



*I can see Ukraine getting back to pre-Feb2022 territory, I could see them grabbing back at least a portion of the territory in the east lost to Russian-backed "separatists", I think Crimea is going to be much much harder to get back, as least so long as Putin is in power. That, sadly, might be more of a nice-to-have thing if Russia overthrows him or gets otherwise distracted with internal conflict.

Getting Crimea back while Putin is still in power and if he hasn't used tactical nukes would be incredible but would come with more risk, I think that's where the nuclear threat could be much much higher.
 
NATO’s Stoltenberg:
- NATO Will Further Increase Protection of Critical Infrastructure After Sabotage of Nord Stream Pipelines
- Ukraine Has The Momentum
- Russia Increasingly Resorting to Horrific Attacks on Civilians and Civilian Infrastructure
- NATO Stands With Ukraine for As Long As It Takes
- President Putin Started This War, He Must End It by Withdrawing Troops From Ukraine
- We Are Closely Monitoring Russia’s Nuclear Forces, Have Not Seen Any Changes in Russia’s Nuclear Posture
- NATO Defence Ministers Will Address Protection of Critical Infrastructure
- Allies Are Increasing Security Around Key Installations
- Any Deliberate Attack Against Allied Critical Infrastructure Would Be Met With “United and Determined Response”
- NATO Has Started Dialogue With Industry and Allies on How to Boost Production and Replenish Weapons Stocks
- What We Saw Yesterday Is a Sign of Russian Weakness Because Russia Is Not Making Advances on the Battlefield
- Air Attacks on Civilians in Ukraine Reflect Lack of Alternatives for Putin
- On Upcoming NATO’s Nuclear Exercise, This Is a Routine Exercise That Was Planned a Long Time Ago
- It Would Send the Wrong Signal if We Were to Cancel a Long-Planned Exercise Now
- NATO’s Military Strength Is the Best Way to Prevent Escalation
- We Will Make Decisions on a Potential Summit When We Think the Time Has Arrived
- Ukraine Needs Lethal Weapons, Artillery, Armoured Vehicles, Air Defence Systems and Anti-Tank Weapons
- Ukraine Has an Urgent Need for Air Defence Systems, Precision Ammunitions And HIMARS
- I Won’t Speculate Whether the Mandate for the EUFOR Mission in Bosnia Will Be Renewed
- If We Reduce the International Presence in Bosnia, We Will Make a Difficult Situation Even More Difficult
- Asked About Risk of a Russian Nuclear Strike, NATO Is Prepared for Any Threat, Any Attack Against Any NATO Ally
- Veiled Nuclear Threats Are Dangerous and Reckless, Russia Knows That a Nuclear War Cannot Be Won and Must Never Be Fought

Russia’s Foreign Ministry:
- We Continue to Receive Contradictory Signals From United States
- Moscow Is Open to Diplomacy at All Levels
- Behind West’s ‘False’ Calls for Peace Is Desire to Defeat Russia
- The More the United States Promotes Zelenskiy’s ‘Regime’, the Harder It Becomes to Find a Diplomatic Solution
- Russia Has Not Received a Formal Proposal Through Diplomatic Channels to Hold Peace Talks in Turkey

14:51:57 - Governor of Russia’s Belgorod Region: 2,000 People Without Power After Ukraine Fired on Power Station

Zelenskiy:
- G7 Nations Must Respond to Russian Bombing of Energy Infrastructure With a Tough Price Cap on Oil and Gas Exports From Russia
- Rules out Talks With Putin, Talks May Be Possible With Another Russian Leader or in a ‘Different Configuration’
- Now One Person Is Blocking Peace – And This Person Is in Moscow
 
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esmozz said:
Former head of the CIA and US Army General, David Petraeus gave an interview on CNN explaining that in that event, NATO would respond conventionally using massive airstrikes to destroy all Russian military infrastructure across Ukraine, including Crimea and in the Black Sea. Basically, the ability of Russian to fight a war in Ukraine would be decimated. I suspect he knows what he's talking about and I suspect this has been clearly and quietly explained to the Russians.

What happens after that is anybodys guess.
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Yeah I'm not sure how much of that is Washington/NATO doctrine I suspect he's speaking on his own behalf/belief its technically beyond NATO's remit it would have to be a political decision whether its a unilateral US decision or they can bring other NATO members on board if thats what they decide, who knows.
 
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NATO’s Stoltenberg:
- NATO Will Further Increase Protection of Critical Infrastructure After Sabotage of Nord Stream Pipelines
- Ukraine Has The Momentum
- Russia Increasingly Resorting to Horrific Attacks on Civilians and Civilian Infrastructure
- NATO Stands With Ukraine for As Long As It Takes
- President Putin Started This War, He Must End It by Withdrawing Troops From Ukraine
- We Are Closely Monitoring Russia’s Nuclear Forces, Have Not Seen Any Changes in Russia’s Nuclear Posture
- NATO Defence Ministers Will Address Protection of Critical Infrastructure
- Allies Are Increasing Security Around Key Installations
- Any Deliberate Attack Against Allied Critical Infrastructure Would Be Met With “United and Determined Response”
- NATO Has Started Dialogue With Industry and Allies on How to Boost Production and Replenish Weapons Stocks
- What We Saw Yesterday Is a Sign of Russian Weakness Because Russia Is Not Making Advances on the Battlefield
- Air Attacks on Civilians in Ukraine Reflect Lack of Alternatives for Putin
- On Upcoming NATO’s Nuclear Exercise, This Is a Routine Exercise That Was Planned a Long Time Ago
- It Would Send the Wrong Signal if We Were to Cancel a Long-Planned Exercise Now
- NATO’s Military Strength Is the Best Way to Prevent Escalation
- We Will Make Decisions on a Potential Summit When We Think the Time Has Arrived
- Ukraine Needs Lethal Weapons, Artillery, Armoured Vehicles, Air Defence Systems and Anti-Tank Weapons
- Ukraine Has an Urgent Need for Air Defence Systems, Precision Ammunitions And HIMARS
- I Won’t Speculate Whether the Mandate for the EUFOR Mission in Bosnia Will Be Renewed
- If We Reduce the International Presence in Bosnia, We Will Make a Difficult Situation Even More Difficult
- Asked About Risk of a Russian Nuclear Strike, NATO Is Prepared for Any Threat, Any Attack Against Any NATO Ally
- Veiled Nuclear Threats Are Dangerous and Reckless, Russia Knows That a Nuclear War Cannot Be Won and Must Never Be Fought

Russia’s Foreign Ministry:
- We Continue to Receive Contradictory Signals From United States
- Moscow Is Open to Diplomacy at All Levels
- Behind West’s ‘False’ Calls for Peace Is Desire to Defeat Russia
- The More the United States Promotes Zelenskiy’s ‘Regime’, the Harder It Becomes to Find a Diplomatic Solution
- Russia Has Not Received a Formal Proposal Through Diplomatic Channels to Hold Peace Talks in Turkey

14:51:57 - Governor of Russia’s Belgorod Region: 2,000 People Without Power After Ukraine Fired on Power Station

Zelenskiy:
- G7 Nations Must Respond to Russian Bombing of Energy Infrastructure With a Tough Price Cap on Oil and Gas Exports From Russia
- Rules out Talks With Putin, Talks May Be Possible With Another Russian Leader or in a ‘Different Configuration’
- Now One Person Is Blocking Peace – And This Person Is in Moscow
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NATO know Russia are running out of options now so will be watching for any nuclear related activity very closely.
 
Japan PM Kishida: Russia’s Possible Use of Nuclear Weapons Highly Unpredictable, Need to Pay Close Attention

Ukraine’s Zelenskiy To G7:
- Putin Could Escalate War in Ukraine, That Is a Threat to Us All
- When Ukraine Gets Sufficient Air Defences, Main Russian Threat Will Be Stopped
- Russia Must Be Fully Isolated and Punished for Referendums and Annexation of Ukrainian Territory
- Russia Has Started a New Stage of Escalation, so New Sanctions Are Needed
- Currently We Have No Possibility for Diplomacy As This Leader of Russia Only Believes in Terror
- Ukraine Is Not Planning Military Action Against Belarus, Ukraine Only Interested in Its Territorial Sovereignty
- We Propose That an International Mission Is Placed on Ukraine-Belarus Border to Monitor Situation
- Asks for Support at G7 Level for International Mission at Ukraine-Belarus Border
 
I think they received 2 systems but more will come in likely later this year.
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NinjaCool said:
I think they received 2 systems but more will come
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Only one today, but 3 more coming in the next few days as announced yesterday

G7 Statement:
- We Condemn Recent Missile Attacks on Ukraine in the Strongest Possible Terms
- We Will Hold President Putin and Those Responsible to Account
- Russia Has Blatantly Violated the Principles Enshrined in the UN Charter
- We Have Imposed and Will Continue to Impose Further Economic Costs on Russia
- We Deplore Deliberate Russian Escalatory Steps
- We Reaffirm That Any Use of Chemical, Biological or Nuclear Weapons by Russia Would Be Met With Severe Consequences.
- We Condemn Russia’s Actions at Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant
- The Safety, Security and Safeguards of the Nuclear Facility Are Paramount
- We Reiterate Our Call on the Belarusian Authorities to Stop Enabling the Russian War of Aggression
- We Will Continue to Provide Financial, Humanitarian, Military, Diplomatic and Legal Support and Will Stand Firmly With Ukraine for As Long As It Takes
- We Are Committed to Supporting Ukraine in Meeting Its Winter Preparedness Needs.

G7 Leaders:
- Condemn Russian Missile Attacks in Ukraine in Strongest Possible Terms
- Indiscriminate Attacks on Innocent Civilian Populations Constitute a War Crime
- We Will Hold President Putin and Those Responsible to Account
- We Solemnly Reiterate That We Will Never Recognise Illegal Annexation or the Sham Referenda That Russia Uses to Justify It
- We Will Continue to Impose Further Economic Costs on Russia
- Irresponsible Nuclear Rhetoric Is Putting Global Peace and Security at Risk
- Any Use of Chemical, Biological or Nuclear Weapons by Russia Would Be Met With Severe Consequences
- We Will Hold Russia Responsible for Any Incident Caused by Their Actions at Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Plant

U.S. Ambassador to NATO:
- Ukraine Contact Group Will Likely Focus on Air Defence for Ukraine Tomorrow
- Nuclear Deterrence Remains a Key Cornerstone of Our Deterrence and Defence Posture
- Russia’s Putin Is Failing to Meet His Strategic Goals on the Ground in Ukraine
- One Could Imagine a Situation Where the Conversations Behind the Doors in Moscow Get More Intense
 
Rage1999 said:
If putin uses a tactical nuke in ukraine
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The greatest danger is if it doesn't actually do much, relatively speaking. Then people might start deploying them more freely. Worse, they might try strategic nukes which are another thing entirely.
 
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*Putin Meets IAEA’s Grossi
*Putin Tells IAEA’s Grossi: We See Excessive Politicisation of Nuclear Activity
*Putin Tells IAEA’s Grossi: We Are Open For Dialogue
*IAEA’s Grossi Tells Putin: We Are Discussing Issues of Nuclear Safety, Including at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant
*Putin Tells IAEA’s Grossi: Situation at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station Is Of Concern
 
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