Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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esmozz said:
No - I mean like in every other conflict where enemy losses are seen as a metric of success there is a tendancy to over-estimate these losses.
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I'm sure Ukraine are providing somewhat optimistic numbers, but they do seem to be trying to produce numbers based on reality, and most third party estimates aren't that far removed from the numbers they give (confirmed number are lower, of course, but confirmed are always going to be). Whereas Russia is basically just making numbers up both for their losses and the number of Ukrainians they've killed or injured in battle.
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
One fell off the back of a truck onto the bridge you mean? ;)
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FSB-Igor what you got in the back this time?
Igor- FAB's needed urgently for the front!
FSB- On your way hurry now.

Slav (with trigger in hand~) Guys it worked, good idea giving the driver a bottle of Vodka for his journey!
Right lets time this near the train.
Bang!±!!
 
Looking at General Sergei Surovikin past makes him out to be a graduate of the university of Lavrentiy Beria. I was listing the Times radio on the way to work and the guest on their said during the 1991 military coup in Moscow Surovikin drove a tank over three protestors.
 
I_M_Weasel said:
No, but 24 years of doing the job tends to stick in your head - you'd need some refresher training if you were called up, but the basics would be there and the required mentality. I do quite a lot of fitness anyway as do many ex-soldiers.

The Russian reserves seem to be made up of people who did a year because they had to and didn't learn that much anyway and now have been called up against their will.

British Army soldiers all volunteered, have meaningful lengths of service, comprehensive training and usually operational experience - I think they are a better thing to form your reserves from.
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How does that work in practice though? What happen if you get called up but have spent the last 6 years behind a desk for 10 hours a day & gained 7 stone and a dodgy knee?
 
esmozz said:
It's the assumptions that skew the numbers - for example with tendancy of russian tanks to self destruct. A colleague of mine who operated russian tanks in the miltary explained to me that there was generally a few seconds of warning before the turret popped off, quite often enabling the crews to get out before the tank went up. I have no idea if this is true but assume there is some truth to it given his experience. And therefore, assuming a lost tank = a lost crew may not be correct.

It would be naive to think boths sides in this conflict are not engaging in propaganda, even if you want to believe one side. It's also possible to support Ukraine and at the same time be critical of some of the things they say.
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For sure there will be some cases where some get out. There wont be many though. I mean watch some footage, the majority do only take a couple of seconds for the stored ammo to go critical. A couple of seconds is not enough time to get out of a tank most of the time. There will be some shock and no warning.
They might just about manage to get out of the opening but they are still basically with the tank. Bear in mind these explosions are throwing a couple of tons of metal like 50 meters into the air.
The only ones I have seen make it out are probably ones with basically no ammo left in them where you can see the "tanks" "smoke up" and then people evac quickly. Unfortunately for most I have seen they are then in small arms range of the people that just took out the tank.
That doesn't tend to end well either, as they stumble into the open with small arms (if they are lucky), into the sights of (usually) concealed aggressors who have just ambushed said tank.

Mr Jack said:
I'm sure Ukraine are providing somewhat optimistic numbers, but they do seem to be trying to produce numbers based on reality, and most third party estimates aren't that far removed from the numbers they give (confirmed number are lower, of course, but confirmed are always going to be). Whereas Russia is basically just making numbers up both for their losses and the number of Ukrainians they've killed or injured in battle.
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Yes. That was my point, the confirmed will always be lower. Quite often considerably lower Its one of the horrible unfortunate things that many are just lost. No remains but they do not reappear later. Died in a ditch, basically removed from existence (such as inside self destructing tanks) etc
Horrible but reality.

I don't think there is vastly overstated reporting. The numbers per day aren't that high (they are high in regards lives lost which is always a bad thing). I think people forget the scale here repeatedly. There is fighting on hundreds of miles of front.

My suspicion would be that Ukraine are into the 5 digits of losses as well unfortunately.
I am fairly sure I saw something a couple of weeks ago that mentioned 9k, although I think that included people taken out of combat with life changing injuries.
We are 9 months in now, thats quite some time.

Lets not forget the Russians don't value life, they would probably accept 10:1 or even more of their people dying to gain ground.
They lost estimated at 6.75 million from combat roles in WW2, a somewhat different situation yes, but they clearly don't care about people, just land.
Assuming a 5 year period that was an average loss of 3700 military, every single day.
So can I see an average of around 300 a day in Ukraine, yes absolutely. We have seen some dumb, borderline idiotic missions undertaken.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Looking at General Sergei Surovikin past makes him out to be a graduate of the university of Lavrentiy Beria. I was listing the Times radio on the way to work and the guest on their said during the 1991 military coup in Moscow Surovikin drove a tank over three protestors.
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A refreshingly robust stance! If the authorities here adopted something half way between running them down with a tracked vehicle and allowing them to climb atop a police van to wave their banners, or molly coddle them for hours blocking major thoroughfares, whilst they refuse to move, our city centres might be more productive and more elegant places.

Here we have our police adopting their preferred stance, down on one knee in supplication to mob rule.

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Dis86 said:
In one of my previous jobs we were very strict about country of origins for steel. Basically it was Spain or UK.
We tried a little experiment with some Chinese forgings once. They all failed to meet every single required standard and upon investigation we actually found partially unmelted bolts within.
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Indeed, vast majority of our customers refuse any Chinese steel type products in anything pipework, pressure vessel wise etc
 
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