Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Hard things to detect. Small cross-section visually, little or no metal to give a decent radar return and very little heat being generated.

Start making them with decent RF/EMC shielding and paint the underside a mix of sky blue/light grey and the damn things would be invisible and unstoppabl.
 
Scougar said:
I still can't believe people I know say that they supported Russia because the are 'anti-globalist', whilst the entire time Russia is vying for globalization under it's own guise. (Russian World etc).
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Russia, China, India and many others are striving for a multipolar world, unlike US that want to indirectly rule the entire world.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Hard things to detect. Small cross-section visually, little or no metal to give a decent radar return and very little heat being generated.

Start making them with decent RF/EMC shielding and paint the underside a mix of sky blue/light grey and the damn things would be invisible and unstoppabl.
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Yeah a good point, may be relatively easy to chase them down and destroy them, but only if you know where they are...

Does sound like there are some specialist radar systems designed to detect small drones, and using Doppler radar can help detect relatively small quad copters. So although plastic drones are hard to detect by radar it is still possible, but only at relatively short ranges compared to a big helicopter or whatever... Maybe the requirement will actually be some relatively advanced and expensive detection systems (high powered radar, AI powered image detection running on multiple high resolution cameras scanning the sky, radio listening antennae etc), coupled with much cheaper missiles. Which I guess would make it a lot harder to give every front line area its own specialist anti-drone SAMs if they need a £25m radar system and optical / IR tracking system on a massive truck to go with them...

Still, for the type of drones which are currently targeted by SAMs at the moment it must be possible to detect them.

Edit: even if very expensive tracking systems were required to make the cheap missiles / interceptor drone system work, it would still be effective for defending stationary targets , like bridges, key logistics hubs etc. though.
 
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kylew_is_back said:
Russia, China, India and many others are striving for a multipolar world, unlike US that want to indirectly rule the entire world.
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Read back what you just put, then see what they are ACTUALLY doing. Why do you think China has been throwing massive loans for infrastructure at smaller countries that can't actually afford it? What happens when they default? Please for the love of god, take your blinkers off.

Also, Russia is happy to try and "cleanse" their ethnic populations.
 
GreatAuk said:
It is interesting how there don't seem to be many good counters to large numbers of cheap drones, with old AA guns seeming the best option so far... Would think there would be more electronic countermeasures or anti drone guns or anti-drone drones in operation by now, so expensive SAMs don't have to be wasted.

The videos of drones being disabled and even captured using jamming or other electronic measures are impressive, but seems these systems aren't very widespread yet...

Imagining that short range AA guns like below might become more popular for point defence

As well I could imagine some kind of small fast drone that could be hand launched and guided or just given a general direction and range of the target programmed in, but then just some basic image recognition running from a camera to actually close with the target and blow it up.

Must be possible to produce some super basic SAMs (or drone launched air to air missiles... ) in large quantities for cheap too - if you have other systems for targeting jets and helicopters etc, and it's designed purely to combat slow basic drones powered by moped engines or loitering munitions it doesn't need to be very advanced or high performance to do the job...

There must be people out there working on things like this, as drone swarms have been a threat that has been discussed for a long time now...
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Maybe existing CIWS systems (like Phalanx) that are used on ships would be suitable. If they can bring down incoming anti-ship missiles, then they should be fast enough to track drones, I would have thought.
 
Don’t the shells from these AAA land somewhere? Blasting away at random direction drones… surely that’s a lot of 30mm cannon landing somewhere close to where you’re trying to protect. Unlike on a ship defence in open ocean.
Or have they got some proximity or timed detonation to stop a beaten zone of 30mm cannon?
 
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kylew_is_back said:
Even if it's true, it doesn't change the fact that he knows what is talking about, the same goes for Colonel Douglas Macgregor. I advise everyone to watch Macgregor's youtube channel to see the truth, mainstream media propaganda isn't good for you, it completely distorts your worldview.
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It's very true and was sent to jail.
I would not even click on a link from a known pervert and youtube liar\miss information.
 
Custor said:
Don’t the shells from these AAA land somewhere? Blasting away at random direction drones… surely that’s a lot of 30mm cannon landing somewhere close to where you’re trying to protect. Unlike on a ship defence in open ocean.
Or have they got some proximity or timed detonation to stop a beaten zone of 30mm cannon?
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True. I guess the collateral damage might be just as bad as the threat itself.
 
Custor said:
Don’t the shells from these AAA land somewhere? Blasting away at random direction drones… surely that’s a lot of 30mm cannon landing somewhere close to where you’re trying to protect. Unlike on a ship defence in open ocean.
Or have they got some proximity or timed detonation to stop a beaten zone of 30mm cannon?
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I think most 30mm rounds for use in that role blow up to create clouds of shrapnel, so although some debris may rain down it wouldn't be like a 30mm round slamming into someone's house directly. Potentially could hurt someone out in the open if they get hit by some falling bits of metal, but if they were under cover they should be safe I'd have thought
 
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We are back to WW2 FLAK, maybe modern tech can work out the height required for the fuses more effectively, but we all know the answer deep down inside of us.

A MIGHTY BIG 100MILLION DOLLAR LASER !!

(or one of them pens, they can close a entire airport with 5 seconds of useage at the tail fin of a 747)
 
dLockers said:
Easiest solution is presumably more drones - that kamikaze into the kamikaze drone. Too many variables to hit them from a static point? Battery life would be an issue but you could have literally tens of thousands of them protecting air space and then gunning for the target.

Birds be ware...
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but then they introduce anti-anti-kamikaze drones to stop the anti-kamikase drones from killing the kamikase drones
 
It's like the twin towers and moon landings all over again.

Either a)
There is a global conspiracy involving all western media organisations, public officials, and defense organisations who's aim is to paint Russia in a bad light and cover up the real truth about Russia's aims in Ukraine.

Or b)
Russia is helmed by a maniac who wants to get the USSR back together and it willing to go to war to achieve it.

I pick b)
 
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